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Re:The race to teach sign language to computers by codyogden on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @06:46AM (#26397923)
All sign languages use much more than handshape and position. And even outside of facial expression grammar (ie non-manual communication) there is a whole host of other complexities that make parsing sign language difficult.

Take classifiers: there are eight morphological types that allow users to express complex ideas without the use of any type of vocabulary-based utterances. You can certainly sign the equivalent of, “Did you see the car parked close to the tree,” (CAR PARK NEAR TREE SEE?) using vocabulary. Sure. It gets the point across, but it’s not efficient, and doesn’t really utilize sign language in a way that feels normal for users.

But that same question can be posed in a more condensed format if you use a classifier, (#CAR 5:CL-“tree”/3:CL-“car parked really close” SEE?). In the second utterance, one use the lexicalized (fingerspelled “car”), then holds up a five hand with bent elbow in their non-dominant hand, use the three hand representing the car placing it reeeeeeally close (with grammatical, NMC emphasis) to the tree, and finally asking the receiver if they saw it.

In that example alone, I’m using two types of classifiers: element and locative. Imagine a complex story using all eight classifier types with just a little vocabulary mixed in? I doubt AI/ML could interpret the context, characters, actions, events, descriptions, etc. accurately. Anyway, I hope this example shows there is a lot more complexity in computerized interpretation of signed languages well beyond gesture/vocabulary recognition.

Note: My glossing may not be perfect. It's been a while, and I’m a bit rusty.

Re:The race to teach sign language to computers by whitten on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @09:29AM (#26399066)
Is this an ASL thing or some other system?

What would be a good source to get the full list of the eight morphological types, and how they are used?

Re:The race to teach sign language to computers by codyogden on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @10:42AM (#26399849)
I learned this in a Linguistics of ASL course as a part of my degree in ASL. My understanding is that classifiers exist in every natural signed language and isn’t exclusive to ASL.

https://www.allenisd.org/cms/lib/TX01001197/Centricity/Domai...

The linked PowerPoint does a good job of explaining a brief overview of the different types of classifiers. (I actually referenced it to correct my own answer because I knew something felt off. lol)

Re:The race to teach sign language to computers by codyogden on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @09:09AM (#26398865)
Correcting myself: The classifiers used in my example are "semantic and locative," not "element."