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Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by whearyou on Monday March 08, 2021 @12:52PM (#26388987)
Please be considerate in how you phrase the apartheid comparison. Many, myself include, feel it reeks of anti-semitism.

I also don't think this is a helpful way of phrasing your point that we should consider the downstream carrots and sticks of our positions.

Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by bjourne on Monday March 08, 2021 @02:03PM (#26390015)
I'm sorry that you feel that way. But "apartheid" is the nomenclature adopted by well-known human rights organizations, (https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...), by the Palestinians themselves (https://bdsmovement.net/apartheid-free-zones), and by one of my personal heroes, Desmond Tutu (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1957644.stm) to describe Israel. I have also visited the West Bank many times and what I saw with my own eyes suggests to me that the apartheid-label absolutely fits.

The point of calling Israel an apartheid state is of course not to claim that Israel is identical to what South Africa was. The point is to emphasize that it is the same racist and supremacist ideology that permeates both systems. In South Africa, you had white people (Boers) dominating and oppressing colored people. In Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories, you have Jews dominating and oppressing Palestinians.

Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by dagav on Monday March 08, 2021 @03:36PM (#26391171)
The Palestinians agreed in the Oslo Accords t govern themselves. They don't vote in Israeli elections, and Israelis don't vote in their elections (if they had any).
Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by whearyou on Monday March 08, 2021 @11:58PM (#26395546)
“The same racist and supremacist ideology” that is factually incorrect
Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by notsureaboutpg on Tuesday March 09, 2021 @12:37AM (#26395771)
Why?

Israel denies citizenship, voting rights, and equal rights to Palestinians (who still have to live according to the law Israeli citizens decide because Israel controls their territory). And the entire basis for doing this is that Jewish people must be the ethnic majority in Israel. It's literally apartheid on ethnic lines.

Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by notsureaboutpg on Monday March 08, 2021 @01:10PM (#26389265)
Well anyone who ever visited the Israeli Palestinian border or ever had to go through a border crossing security check would see how obviously it is apartheid.

I'm sorry it hurts your feelings but real people are losing their homes and livelihoods every day to ever increasing Israeli settlement.

Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by whearyou on Monday March 08, 2021 @01:35PM (#26389626)
I've visited it numerous times. The label on it doesn't make it ok or not.

The issue is the circumstances there don't meet the factual criterion of apartheid. That's not a question of feelings. The fact the apartheid label is applied here while it is not emphasized or even applied to non-Jewish countries is a double standard. That fits the definition of anti-semitism.

Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by notsureaboutpg on Monday March 08, 2021 @05:00PM (#26392233)
They do meet the factual definition whether you like it or not.

If I'm Palestinian, I live my life completely according to the rules of Israel (because of the blockade and checkpoints and control of the territory). As a Palestinian, I also cannot vote in Israel and will never be granted the ability to vote in Israel, in order to preserve the ethnic majority of Israel. As a Palestinian I can also have my home taken away from me to make room for Israeli settlers.

That's apartheid.

Re:Israel, Cyprus and Greece agree to link power grids via s... by whearyou on Thursday March 11, 2021 @03:06AM (#26421524)
You are not a citizen of Israel and live in land you claim for a totally separate country.

That is, literally and factually, not apartheid.