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Re:EU blocks export of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines to Aust... by the-dude on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:03PM (#26345780)
A much quoted figure is that the AZ vaccine is 'only' 60% effective compared to 90%+ for Pfizer et al.

However, this 60% number is for totally preventing a COVID infection. The AZ vaccine is just as much, or even more effective at preventing severe illness / hospitalization.

I do blame the EU commission for the general narrative about the AZ vaccine, as it has negative consequences directly with the public : in NL ( and in DE as well if I am not mistaken ), there are people who don't want the AZ vaccine because of this.

So I do blame the EU commission on endangering the general public health of its constituents.

Re:EU blocks export of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines to Aust... by jamesrr39 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:17PM (#26345998)
> So I do blame the EU commission on endangering the general public health of its constituents.

As the comment you replied to asked; do you have an actual source for that? The "much quoted" thing is not a source, it is simply weasel words.

For what it's worth, some national-level politicians have said some negative comments about it, but I can't recall hearing any EU commission figures commenting negatively about it (being cautious about it; sure, but negative, I can't recall any). Happy to be proved wrong though.

Re:EU blocks export of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines to Aust... by mutatio on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:26PM (#26346128)
France for a start: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56252028

Possibly worse situation in Germany where blatent misinformation was published regarding the Oxford vaccine. Consider the gravity of this given Germany's population is far more "anti-vac" than say the UK.

The EU and Germany/France in particular did a stellar job of destroying the Oxford vaccine's credibility.

Re:EU blocks export of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines to Aust... by jamesrr39 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:47PM (#26346422)
I'm not sure if you read my comment? But like I said, on the national level (for example France in the link you posted) I remember hearing some negative comments, but on the EU commission level (the institution that sits in Brussels), I don't remember hearing anything explicitly negative.

Happy to be proved wrong though.

Re:EU blocks export of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines to Aust... by g_p on Thursday March 04, 2021 @02:16PM (#26346836)
Not aware of having seen any statements from the EC itself on the topic (it was approved by the EMA for all ages), but I think it unlikely the EC itself would have said anything, if only for one simple self-centred reason:

It would be shooting itself in the foot to admit the vaccines it had bought in a group-buy scheme were ineffective or in any way sub-standard. Member states would be furious, and Ursula would have been gone.

This article has a summary of statements from different politicians - https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-eu-leaders-said-abo... The closest I can see for the EC is one from Ursula, with the article reporting:

"She then suggested the UK had compromised on "safety and efficacy" by approving the jab so early, despite the EMA reaching the same conclusions as the UK's internationally-respected MHRA which approved the vaccine."

(That is realistically just her attempts to excuse a slower approval process that ultimately reached exactly the same outcome)

Re:EU blocks export of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines to Aust... by the-dude on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:25PM (#26346118)
> it is simply weasel words.

That is not very nice to say.

!g astrazeneca 60% effective site:.eu :

First hit : https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-covid-19-va...

Please note I blame them for the general narrative around AZ as being not trustworthy. It is very clear to see in comments from the Dutch public ( and I have seen similar sentiments at our DE neighbors ).

It does not help our press is not very critical, I'll give you that.

Re:EU blocks export of AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccines to Aust... by jamesrr39 on Thursday March 04, 2021 @01:39PM (#26346327)
Sorry, I didn't mean to be offensive with the "weasel words" comment, simply that is the term for this kind of "much quoted figure" kind of text (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word). Thanks for providing a link to the EMA press release though.

On the note of that press release, the title of the page is "EMA recommends COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca for authorisation in the EU", which I wouldn't consider anti-AZ, and reading the text it states in the same paragraph that it's talking about "reduction in the number of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in people given the vaccine".

Anyway, I didn't mean to offend, just calling out what I saw, others may have a different opinion to me of course.