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Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by aphextron on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @04:56PM (#26335228)
Bay area comp is massively bimodal. FAANG tier folks are certainly making that much, but they are a tiny fraction of the market. Most senior devs at smaller companies and startups are making under $200k.
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by closeparen on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @05:38PM (#26335804)
Companies in the tier of Stripe, Lyft, Uber, Airbnb, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Robinhood, etc. pay that much at senior levels. Often better than FAANG.
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by standardUser on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:38PM (#26336461)
You're confining your thinking to well-known companies you can name. For every company you can name, there are 20 you've never heard of and they sure as hell aren't paying average developers $200k.
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by closeparen on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:49PM (#26336577)
I am refuting the blatantly false claim that only FAANG compensate like this.

I agree that some employers lowball like crazy, and that some engineers don’t know better, have reasons to live in low-productivity regions that are worth six-figure opportunity costs to them (family, etc), or couldn’t pass the interviews. But it is worthwhile to remind people that this whole world is out there and they could pursue it if they wanted to.

Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by UncleMeat on Thursday March 04, 2021 @12:25PM (#26345196)
The quote was "FAANG tier", which I think encompasses "the tech companies that pay outrageously above the norm for engineers".
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by lhorie on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @05:45PM (#26335884)
AFAIK, the difference between the two tiers comes down to public companies that pay equity with real stock vs those who are not public and cannot offer comp in the form of liquid equity.
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by opportune on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @05:49PM (#26335930)
Several of those companies are not public. They are indeed offering paper money, but if you trust valuations during fundraising rounds (and given how late stage Stripe, Robinhood are) it's a pretty safe bet.
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by CrazyDave on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:07PM (#26336121)
Aren't more volatile valuations also better for the value seeking employees? Let's say in 1 year there's a 50% chance of the valuation going up 3x, and a 50% chance of it going down to 0.

You rest and vest if it goes up, or find another company if it fails. The ante would be 1 year's RSU and job searching for a payoff of 3 years worth of RSUs.

Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by opportune on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:14PM (#26336195)
Yes, from people I know, the asymmetric risk is what draws them to working for startups. Go to one, see if it 10xs quickly, otherwise go to another one.

There is also a particular group of people who seek out pre-ipo (meaning a company that is expected to IPO soon) companies, or more generally those that are about to fundraise again. Generally equity offers are given based on valuations at the last fundraising round, so playing this game properly can instantly turn $100k in paper money into $400k. Of course, doing this only makes sense if you expect the new valuation to have some kind of staying power, otherwise you won't realize those gains.

Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by lhorie on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @07:18PM (#26336860)
well, there's a spectrum there. There are the late stage unicorns offering paper money that is close to becoming real money, there are the pie-in-the-sky startups whose paper money may or may not be worth a damn and there are the companies that have no equity comp structure at all for whatever reason.
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by chrisseaton on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @06:46PM (#26336542)
People at these companies are super-elite tier. It doesn't even remotely represent the experience of most working developers.
Re:Silicon Valley stays on top as tech salaries climb across... by jcims on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @05:49PM (#26335941)
Curious what SRE/TPM/security roles are making. I have turned down two different security job offers from FAANG companies because the comp was even or a net loss over my current role at midwest orgs each time, and that was before factoring in CoL.