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Re:Far-right pages that publish misinformation get the most ... by neogodless on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @09:54AM (#26329087)
This is, quite naturally, a very divisive topic. It's extremely difficult to even attempt to look at something like this objectively. The odds are very high you have more positive feelings about one political leaning or the other. And the odds are also high that you believe news that fits your side at least seems more fact-based and informational, and less biased than the opposing side.

It is, of course, entirely possible that one side is, in reality, sticking closer to the facts than the other. But it's really hard to put forth a convincing argument that would change the mind of the other side.

Does anyone believe they have something really convincing and likely to successfully change the minds of someone that disagrees with them on this topic? Have you ever presented what you believe to be facts to someone that disagreed with you, only to have them continue to disagree, and perhaps even dispute with you whether those are really facts?

Re:Far-right pages that publish misinformation get the most ... by rbanffy on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @05:03PM (#26335309)
> But it's really hard to put forth a convincing argument that would change the mind of the other side.

The article is about a research paper and its results. You can check it, check the methodology, the sources and try to poke holes on it using proper scientific methods.

Unfortunately, when one's identity relies on the belief certain things are true, it's hard to convince them otherwise, even with overwhelming evidence.

Re:Far-right pages that publish misinformation get the most ... by neogodless on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @08:51PM (#26337600)
I suspect those that read my comment (and perhaps downvoted) think I'm just arguing "both sides -ism" or whatever that's called. I'm not. I do agree with one of the sides more than the other, and believe there is more factual reporting, and a lot less "this isn't true but we need it to be to support our agenda so ** it, report it!" Or "let's just write persuasive essays with lots of conjecture, as that will be enough to convince a lot of people." As others have said, both sides do slant reporting, writing headlines and focusing on the details that better support what they believe, but I think this is well beyond that.

Anyway, my comment was not picking sides, or denying the report. It was mostly speaking to the community, to remind them why this sort of post tends to just go sideways and likely doesn't accomplish what we would hope it to. (And the shared article was flagged about 30 seconds after I posted my comment, so... no surprise there!)

Re:Far-right pages that publish misinformation get the most ... by rbanffy on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @11:37PM (#26338668)
> this sort of post tends to just go sideways

It shouldn't. We are adults and we certainly should be able to deal with an article about a scientific study.

Re:Far-right pages that publish misinformation get the most ... by neogodless on Thursday March 04, 2021 @07:59AM (#26341764)
I think the effect this topic has on the members of HN is just indicative of the larger problem. Even (normally) quite intelligent, research-driven folks are handling this topic differently. The normal upvote for good discussion, downvote for not contributing is all but thrown out the window for agree/disagree voting.

Normally, a scientific study would be a good reason to say "I may have been wrong" but often in these cases, the only explanation each and every time is "the study is wrong, and it only exists because the other side sponsored it."