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Re:Trust: The Need for Public Understanding of How Science W... by trashtester on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @10:33AM (#26316303)
From about the 1600s, science gained authority at the expense of theology due to its ability to predict and manipulate the physical world. Physics, chemestry and engineering allowed us to do things that would have been seen as magical a couple of centuries earlier. Those nations and individuals who rejected science became losers.

But as the term "science" gained in authority, other institutions were losing influence, in particular theologians and similar ideologes. Many of these wanted to be seen as having authority similar to what scientists enjoyed.

Since most people realize that "Theology" is not real science, new names and tactics have been invented to help camuflage institutions as "scientific", such as "Intelligent Design", "<insert identity group> studies" where the practitions care more about the idelogical consequences than the ability to predict real world outcomes.

These institutions will both promote science denialism within their own ranks and also cause it within opposing ideologies. Both intelligent design advocates and gender studies advocates will reject findings from science (mostly biology) when they contradict their preferred ideology, even when the findings are as close to scientific facts as it is possible to come. Both do that by presenting bad faith arguments and also labelling non-believers within their ranks as what would in earlier times be labeled "evil heretics".

When even "scientific facts" are attacked like that, other disciplines with varying predictive power, such as climate science, economics or cosmology will suffer even more effective assaults by ideologes.

If we cannot somehow stop this developement, we are heading for another "Dark Age". I honestly dont know how this developement can be stopped at this point. At the very least, it will require cooperation across idelogical boundaries to do so, and this can only happen if the science denial of both sides are simultaneously purged.

Re:Trust: The Need for Public Understanding of How Science W... by WildParser on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @11:17AM (#26316877)
I'm not very optimistic about avoiding a "Dark Age".

Rational thinking and the idea to look at data seems to be completely foreign to most people I know. Higher educated people seem to absorb and repeat dogmas and propaganda unfiltered even faster.

Some patterns I have come across:

Alpha-Rational: Claiming that ideas that come from authority (dogma) or self (narcissism) are rational - rejecting to look at any data.

Anti-Rational: Reject the idea to look at data "life is uncertain", "data is garbage", "it's immoral to look at data" - although there is a lot of good data and drawing conclusions is not even difficult.

Malicious rational: Know your science and cherry-pick data for profit to support the highest bidder.