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Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by Solvitieg on Monday March 01, 2021 @06:14PM (#26309819)
I think what's interesting is the moral policing is no longer coming from the religious right.

I recommend "The Realignment" podcast which often discusses why this shift has occurred: https://the-realignment.simplecast.com/

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by dragonwriter on Monday March 01, 2021 @07:03PM (#26310244)
>>I think what's interesting is the moral policing is no longer coming from the religious right.

The right (religious and otherwise) hasn't reduced it's policing of ideological orthodoxy at all.

Now, if you threw “exclusively” into that sentence, there might be something like a point.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by nyolfen on Monday March 01, 2021 @08:23PM (#26310798)
maybe internally, but i haven't heard of conservatives getting random kids on twitter expelled from school lately
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by dragonwriter on Monday March 01, 2021 @08:29PM (#26310833)
> haven't heard of conservatives getting random kids on twitter expelled from school lately

I have, for actual kids (as in children, not young adults), including lately. Usually for something like “their mother has an OnlyFans page”.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by nyolfen on Wednesday March 03, 2021 @08:15AM (#26327863)
this example is obviously reprehensible but does not seem like the same phenomenon
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by hda2 on Monday March 01, 2021 @09:11PM (#26311134)
Source please.
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by stjohnswarts on Monday March 01, 2021 @08:10PM (#26310703)
It's coming from both sides you can't deny that. Look at the dangerous appointments made to the judicial branch. While the far left dominate twitter and social media and try to cancel everyone the evangelicals are doing pretty well at cancelling liberal voting rights and women's rights if you aren't paying attention. It's as if people things others don't have a right to think in any way other than the way they think and live.
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by rayiner on Monday March 01, 2021 @08:58PM (#26311034)
ACB is so “dangerous” she might vote to overturn Roe and thereby make abortion a legislative rather than constitutional issue, as in almost every developed country such as France. https://repository.law.uic.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2.... Far-right wing ACB might possibly vote the same way as the ... European Court of Human Rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A,_B_and_C_v_Ireland

> A, B and C v Ireland is a landmark 2010 case of the European Court of Human Rights on the right to privacy under Article 8. The court rejected the argument that article 8 conferred a right to abortion

Or maybe the Overton window has just shifted very left in the US about what social issues are human rights and what can properly be decided by legislative majorities?

And if far-right ACB were successful in making the right to privacy in the US similar to the one under the European Convention on Human Rights, the US states would be free to draw the line for on-demand abortions without any medical emergencies at 12-13 weeks, like nearly all European countries do and 70% of Americans support, instead of at 22-26 weeks, as is required by Roe. https://www.france24.com/en/20180525-abortion-laws-vary-eu-i.... https://news.gallup.com/poll/235469/trimesters-key-abortion-...

Of course, overturning Roe isn’t really in the cards. There are just 3 votes for it. In June Medical just two Justices, (not including ACB, who was not yet on the Court) signaled a willingness to overturn Roe. Unlike deciding a case in the first instance, overruling an existing precedent is an act of discretion. A Justice who disagrees with the merits can (and likely will) still support to uphold the precedent.

Much more likely than ACB overturning Ginsberg’s legacy with respect to abortion is ACB upholding Ginsberg’s legacy with respect to the Equal Protection Clause. At the ACLU, Ginsberg built that legacy on a textualist interpretation of the Equal Protection Clause, challenging laws that discriminated against men supposedly to benefit women as violations of equal protection. Under the current progressive worldview, that literal interpretation of “equal” treatment under the law will prove an impediment to importing critical theory into the law. That area, where the precedent isn’t as clear cut, is much more likely to be an area where ACB has an impact.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by scythe on Monday March 01, 2021 @11:23PM (#26311888)
>Far-right wing ACB might possibly vote the same way as the ... European Court of Human Rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A,_B_and_C_v_Ireland

> > A, B and C v Ireland is a landmark 2010 case of the European Court of Human Rights on the right to privacy under Article 8. The court rejected the argument that article 8 conferred a right to abortion

Article 8 states:

1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

COTUS A14 states:

...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

The latter is clearly broader.

>the US states would be free to draw the line for on-demand abortions without any medical emergencies at 12-13 weeks,

A farcical conjecture, when we all know the actual likely outcome.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by abathur on Monday March 01, 2021 @07:41PM (#26310511)
I agree that parts of the left are engaged in moral policing, but I think you may be mis-speaking when you say it is "no longer coming from the religious right."

I think it still is, it just isn't a monopoly?

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by nine_k on Monday March 01, 2021 @08:48PM (#26310968)
Well, yes, some Left are no less religious, even if their religion is not the old Christianity usually confessed by the traditional Right.

If you look at the history of 20th century, you may find a number of instances when e.g. Communism was professed (and enforced) with a truly religious fervor and lack of doubt. Ironically, the same thing happens time and again to Atheism.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by mxcrossb on Monday March 01, 2021 @06:58PM (#26310199)
I also find this topic far more interesting than the fairly cliche discussion over “cancel culture”. It seems like conservatives have caught up to post modernism, whereas liberals are now passionate about objective truth and morality being black and white. I really wonder how tenable these positions are going forward.
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by rayiner on Monday March 01, 2021 @07:09PM (#26310287)
No conservatives are still conservatives. They don’t need to embrace post-modernism to oppose what they perceive as a heretical religion.

Insofar as right-wing people now invoke the liberal notions of free expression it’s only because that was a middle ground that allowed coexistence and liberals are now sitting aside while progressives try to blow up that compromise. (And also because a bunch of center right people think it’s a good thing—it’s not like the right is uniformly absolutist evangelical types).

Put differently, Christian evangelical are angry that liberals broke all these taboos in the name of free expression, and now progressives are trying to treat Christian evangelical beliefs as the basis for cancellation. There is nothing hypocritical or contradictory about this.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by mxcrossb on Monday March 01, 2021 @07:59PM (#26310623)
The fact that you go to the word “hypocritical” makes me think we’re already in agreement on the basic point. I’m not trying to make a value judgement here.

Go look at these arguments about confederate statues. Liberals condemn the moral faults of the person. Conservatives excuse it as values of the time; moreover they appeal to the virtue the society has chosen for the statue to represent. There’s nothing more post modern than that.

From your post, it seems your view is that conservatives adopted these tools because they are the tools of an oppressed minority, which conservatives now perceive themselves to be. I think that very well might be the right explanation. But I also wonder if this shift is more of a demographics thing. Post modernism can’t be the young, hip mindset for the rest of human history. I wonder if young people today are carving out some new view of the world, which is far more interesting to me than arguments over celebrity Twitter accounts.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by taurath on Monday March 01, 2021 @08:08PM (#26310685)
I’d rather have them vigorously defending for their right to be a bigot than be a bigot actually with cultural power, having grown up during the latter.

Free expression of contrary views is also important (though not ALL contrary views). What I think will happen is further Balkanization of the internet. We can’t all play in the exact same sandbox. Echo chambers are not new - people lived within distinct communities before the internet. I lived in a 50/50 liberal conservative town growing up and I interacted with only other kids of conservatives outside of school.

Now if we could have platforms that didn’t reward shallow engagements maybe we could get somewhere.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by ebcode on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @12:22AM (#26312156)
> Now if we could have platforms that didn’t reward shallow engagements maybe we could get somewhere.

... and that is precisely why I find HN (despite its flaws) to be one of the most interesting places for discourse. The aggressive moderation by dang and friends gives this forum a coherence that is hard to find anywhere else.