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Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by _-david-_ on Monday March 01, 2021 @01:33PM (#26306252)
>Plenty of national newspapers are willing to give people front-page editorials to say things that are not mainstream.

Do you have some examples?

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by BitwiseFool on Monday March 01, 2021 @01:37PM (#26306295)
I have a counter example, just look at the debacle when the New York Times published an op-ed by Senator Tom Cotton and the editorial page editor had to resign because of the outrage about its content:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/07/nyt-opinion-bennet-...

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by kennywinker on Monday March 01, 2021 @01:58PM (#26306641)
He called for using military force against civil rights activists. Is this the kind of great intellectual leap forward the grandparent post was talking about? Because if you want to talk about cancelling things, using the military to crush and jail activism is cancelling things pretty hard.
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by _-david-_ on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:05PM (#26306747)
He called on the use of force against people doing violence, not the peaceful protestors.
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by kennywinker on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:14PM (#26306870)
"One thing above all else will restore order to our streets: an overwhelming show of force to disperse, detain and ultimately deter lawbreakers."

Incited by "violence" (mostly property damage, some clashes with cops trying to box in and disperse non-violent protestors) - but calling for dispersal of everyone. Using the military to crush a civil rights movement

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by _-david-_ on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:53PM (#26307502)
Someone peacefully protesting is not a "lawbreaker". The quote you provided only refers to criminals. In fact "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" is explicitly allowed in the Constitution.

Please show me where he said peaceful protestors should have force used upon them.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by kennywinker on Monday March 01, 2021 @03:56PM (#26308290)
When he said send in the military to do "an overwhelming show of force".

The military isn't going to walk through the crowd picking out the few people smashing windows or throwing bottles. That would not be an OVERWHELMING SHOW OF FORCE. They would march on the crowds, and almost inevitably use lethal force on them. Even if the target is only the ones throwing bottles or smashing windows, the military cannot and would not make that distinction in the moment.

We don't have to imagine what it would be like, it's happened before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by _-david-_ on Monday March 01, 2021 @04:58PM (#26309016)
So whn you said "He called for using military force against civil rights activists" that was not actually accurate? Cotton only said against lawbreakers right?
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by kennywinker on Monday March 01, 2021 @05:29PM (#26309341)
If I spread my coin jar out on the table, to sort all the quarters out, and you walk in and say “let’s clean all these pennies up! I’ll tip the table over and they’ll all fall into this garbage bag!” You technically said that you wanted to remove the pennies from the table, but your suggested course of action would have also removed all the quarters and dimes.

Do you understand the difference between how you say something, and the ideas you are conveying? The thing he suggested was using military force on the people protesting.

Even setting aside that. Even if he did mean to magically only use military force on protestors who broke the law. There were a lot of protests happening peacefully, but after an 8pm curfew - those would have been lawbreakers... and also peaceful protestors. Should they have military force used on them because they broke a curfew? Tom Cotton appears to think so

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by albedoa on Tuesday March 02, 2021 @12:59PM (#26318180)
People who don't recognize your username assumed you were making your request in good faith.
Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by rrose on Monday March 01, 2021 @01:43PM (#26306431)
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/opinion/bon-appetit-cance...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/academic-freedom-is-withering-1...

depending on if you consider george will "mainstream"- he is an establishment conservative which certainly is a dissenting viewpoint at the washington post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/unprecedented-untarg...

not a newspaper, but a national magazine a front page article with a definitively non-mainstream message: https://harpers.org/archive/2020/04/good-guys-with-guns-soci...

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by _-david-_ on Monday March 01, 2021 @02:08PM (#26306795)
>https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/opinion/bon-appetit-cance...

Seems like a mainstream article. Not sure what the point of this was? I didn't look at the articles mentioned in this article so if that was your point then let me know so I can review them.

> https://www.wsj.com/articles/academic-freedom-is-withering-1...

I got a paywall so I could only read part of the article. The first part of the article seems to agree with my point that viewpoint discrimination is in fact happening. I didn't get to anything about newspapers before I got the paywall so I don't know what exact this had to do with what I posted. The article seemed quite mainstream to me though.

> depending on if you consider george will "mainstream"- he is an establishment conservative which certainly is a dissenting viewpoint at the washington post

I am getting a paywall so I couldn't read the article, but it seemed mainstream. Based on what I could gather it sounds like he supports a more fiscally responsible stimulus and to have it targeted to people who actually need it rather than to everybody. Assuming that is the gist of the article then I think that is decently mainstream. I would agree that it is a dissenting viewpoint for the Washington Post though.

>not a newspaper, but a national magazine a front page article with a definitively non-mainstream message

This article was pretty long so I skimmed it (so if I missed an important detail let me know). It sounds like a mainstream message. Gun ownership and protection of oneself with guns is a mainstream message in the US. Maybe it is a bit non-mainstream since the author is a socialist, but nothing stood out as out of the norm.

Re:Sir Kazuo Ishiguro warns of young authors self-censoring ... by rrose on Monday March 01, 2021 @06:28PM (#26309953)
the first two articles are people who are being given a platform to complain about cancel culture. If the premise of the complaints about cancel culture is that anything outside of the "mainstream" woke consensus is silenced, these are proof that that is not happening.

The last article is not mainstream at all. Gun ownership as a means of pushing a leftist agenda is extremely different from the somewhat mainstream, right-leaning ideas about gun ownership