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Re:Are You Trading or Gambling? by TomGullen on Saturday February 27, 2021 @05:54AM (#26283994)
Working out EV is easy for casino table games, relatively easy for poker and extremely difficult for stocks trading.
Re:Are You Trading or Gambling? by tchalla on Saturday February 27, 2021 @06:05AM (#26284042)
The reason is pretty simple - probability of events are an important input to calculation of expected values. If the probabilities are off, expected value calculations will differ. Also, Expected Value works under the “law of large numbers” assumptions. That in turn brings into picture the “sequence of return” risk. Two drastically different sequences can lead to the same Expected Value but can have serious short term implications.

“The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”

Re:Are You Trading or Gambling? by superbcarrot on Saturday February 27, 2021 @06:08AM (#26284056)
> Also, Expected Value works under the “law of large numbers” assumptions.

Technically, EV has nothing to do with sample size. But I get your point that in sufficiently small sample sizes and/or sufficiently large bet sizes you might need to think about utility rather than expectation.

Re:Are You Trading or Gambling? by hntrader on Saturday February 27, 2021 @11:04AM (#26285659)
"easy for casino table games"

I don't believe EV is easier to estimate in poker than trading. You need to estimate hand range and the consequences of actions later in the hand. It's extremely complicated.

Re:Are You Trading or Gambling? by oh_sigh on Saturday February 27, 2021 @05:59AM (#26284011)
Yes...bet sizing is something I worry about a lot, but it isn't clear to me how to apply the kelly criterion to a game where the risk/reward is mostly unknown and only based on a hunch.
Re:Are You Trading or Gambling? by hgjnhikn on Saturday February 27, 2021 @09:38AM (#26285110)
You could make a table where row is guessed probability(input to Kelly criterion) and column it's actual probability and cells contain expected value and expected log value. And pick something which looks reasonable.
Re:Are You Trading or Gambling? by scribu on Saturday February 27, 2021 @06:08AM (#26284052)
One better-than-nothing way is to look at historical data:

Looking at the closing price for each trading day, count how many times the stock ended higher and how many times it ended lower than the previous day.

Then you have your odds.