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Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by nitrogen on Friday February 26, 2021 @12:16PM (#26277130)
It's easy to say "you are on the wrong side of history."

Indeed. No matter how convinced I am that I'm right in a discussion with friends/family, if I used a phrase like "right/wrong side of history," I would immediately lose their attention if not their friendship. It's vital to remember why people still disagree with whatever you believe in, rather than just steamroll and ignore them.

Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by wcarron on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:25PM (#26278756)
Exactly. When will the world come to its senses on abortion and realize it's the basic human right of a pregnant person to abort a pregnancy they don't want?
Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by Chris2048 on Friday February 26, 2021 @07:53PM (#26281643)
The context didn't require any opinion either way - just a list of contentious issues.

There are already plenty threads here and on the net discussing abortion - you are just stating your own beliefs without any justification, or attempt to address the crux of the topic.

Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by wcarron on Friday February 26, 2021 @08:18PM (#26281780)
I thought you were playing devil's advocate and I wanted to take the bait. My apologies.

Regardless, in a discussion, I don't the onus is on me expound on the numerous facets of the position right from the get-go. Abortion is a topic with many facets. You can't cover it all at once. I mean, yeah, you have to establish a position to start, but not all that much.

I think rather than just saying 'without any justification' you could have more charitably asked a number of clarifying questions or could have taken an opposing stance to argue from. There was enough in my statement to squabble over.

Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by Chris2048 on Saturday February 27, 2021 @01:35PM (#26286976)
The discussion of abortion is off-topic, and likely to become the kind of dog-pile that overtakes the original thread.

In general, the onus isn't on you to "expound the numerous facets" - but I think it is on you to expand on your own claims to the point they can be understood; for example - what is a "human right", are you talking about legal rights, or your own opinion; What is a "pregnancy" - do you include all trimesters, allowing abortion up until birth? etc etc etc

Note, I don't really want to get into the discussion, I'm just pointing out no-one could understand you position without follow-up questions.

> There was enough in my statement to squabble over.

True, but the same can be said of any unsubstantial post - you want me to charitably ask for substance, but "unjustified" statements are a dime-a-dozen, and can easily flood a thread - It's just as easy from my perspective to down-vote and move on.

Providing a fuller context in the first place, to me, proves greater good faith wrt wanting a good discussion, and a better guarantee the continuing the conversation will be productive.

Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by wcarron on Sunday February 28, 2021 @09:33PM (#26299120)
You have made good points and I appreciate your response. I also don't really want this discussion. Your point about not overrunning the main thread is particularly applicable.
Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by BrandoElFollito on Friday February 26, 2021 @04:14PM (#26279912)
This, and euthanasia. I fail to understand how a government can dictate whether I choose to live or not.

In France there was a law that punished successful suicides, which is the extreme of such ridicule (disclaimer: I am French)

Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by petre on Saturday February 27, 2021 @12:52AM (#26282992)
How does a law punish one for succesful suicide? Orthodox priests refuse to do funeral service and refuse to burry suicide victims in the cemeteries that they control, as if the deceased even cares.
Re:Malaysian Grandfather Is Facing Death for Weed by CuriouslyC on Friday February 26, 2021 @06:41PM (#26281173)
Capitalism has healthy and dysfunctional variants based on the attitudes of the people who engage in it. Meat eating is only wrong when you factory farm for billions of people. Abortion is distasteful, but as long as the child is reliant on the body of the mother to survive, she should have the ability to withdraw that support.