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Re:The Framework Laptop by bscphil on Thursday February 25, 2021 @08:11PM (#26270457)
Yes, your point is entirely fair. I should have clarified that I was talking about an older (mid decade) MacBook Pro. It requires enough force that, with my arm just positioned normally, I can actually feel the torque applied down the whole of my forearm.

My understanding is that Apple has made the clicks much lighter in their later models - along with doing the exact same thing with the keyboard keys, which for me goes much to far in the other direction.

Re:The Framework Laptop by charrondev on Thursday February 25, 2021 @10:23PM (#26271067)
The latest iterations as I understand are like this:

- keyboards were reverted similar to how they were around 2015. - all the new trackpads are don’t require a physical actuation to activate. You can apply the same amount of minimal pressure anywhere on the trackpad and it “presses back” at you to simulate a physical click. It’s quite convincing.

Re:The Framework Laptop by fomine3 on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:15AM (#26272122)
Force touch is useful feature last missing on other PCs.
Re:The Framework Laptop by easton on Friday February 26, 2021 @12:17AM (#26271586)
On 2015 or later MacBooks, you can adjust the force required for a click: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204352 (“Adjust trackpad settings”)
Re:The Framework Laptop by bscphil on Friday February 26, 2021 @02:24AM (#26272179)
This is software adjustable? That's very impressive engineering. Unfortunately this a 2014 MBP.
Re:The Framework Laptop by vladvasiliu on Friday February 26, 2021 @03:36AM (#26272602)
AFAIK the button doesn't actually move, it's like the home button on some older iPhones (like the 7). It detects the pressure and has a haptic feedback to make it feel like a button. If you look at a powered off iphone 7, the button is just an indent on the otherwise fixed glass panel.
Re:The Framework Laptop by lloeki on Friday February 26, 2021 @04:45AM (#26273047)
Exactly. The most impressive part is that it really feels like a click, down to the illusion it's moving down (but it's not, at all). When powering off (or there's a crash), the feeling of it being immovable is surreal. Plus the surface is suddenly responding evenly (the clicking ones had a hinged design, so it became increasingly hard to click upwards the surface)

One can leverage the haptic feedback to make the TouchBar a bit more lively[0]. The illusion breaks a bit since the haptic device is farther away from the touch surface but it's still quite a transformative experience for the TB.

[0]: https://github.com/niw/HapticKey