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Re:The Framework Laptop by kayodelycaon on Thursday February 25, 2021 @02:38PM (#26267215)
> I’ve never understood why people care so much about trackpads.

Because most people don't use vim and mice aren't usable unless you're sitting at a flat surface with the room to hold one. If I'm using my laptop on the couch, a trackpad is probably the best solution. (Trackpoint gave my index finger RSI, when I was was being careful.)

Re:The Framework Laptop by neilparikh on Thursday February 25, 2021 @03:15PM (#26267671)
> mice aren't usable unless you're sitting at a flat surface with the room to hold one

Trackball mice a good solution to this problem. I had work on a bed without a table for 2 weeks last year, and a trackball mouse ended up working great (I didn't like using the trackpad, since switching from the keyboard to trackpad on a laptop is fairly uncomfortable if you do it often enough).

Re:The Framework Laptop by wiredfool on Thursday February 25, 2021 @03:39PM (#26267969)
Trackball mice are thick, and inevitably got schmutz in the bearings and got slow. Then you'd have to open them up and clean them out.

Trackpads were a great upgrade to laptops when they happened, even though at the time, excessive moisture screwed up the trackpad, to the point that I needed to have a dime handy to put my finger on for a half hour after getting out of the shower.

(Source: I've used mac portables since the PB 100, including most of the major versions)

Re:The Framework Laptop by BugsJustFindMe on Thursday February 25, 2021 @03:37PM (#26267945)
> a trackball mouse ended up working great (I didn't like using the trackpad, since switching from the keyboard to trackpad on a laptop is fairly uncomfortable

Switching from the keyboard to something an inch away is uncomfortable for you, but switching from the keyboard to something a foot away is not? I don't get it.

Re:The Framework Laptop by neilparikh on Sunday February 28, 2021 @02:10AM (#26291294)
Moving to the mouse is a movement where the distance from my hand to the body stays the same, while moving to the trackpad is a movement where I need to being my hand closer. For whatever reason, I find the second easier.

Additionally, when I'm using it on my lap, the trackpad is basically next to my body, which makes my wrist position a little uncomfortable.

Looking back, I think it's not really the switching, but rather the comfort when using one for a prolonged period, for which I found the trackball easier.

Re:The Framework Laptop by kayodelycaon on Thursday February 25, 2021 @05:04PM (#26268915)
The angle on the trackpad can be uncomfortable when it’s sitting on your lap.
Re:The Framework Laptop by BugsJustFindMe on Thursday February 25, 2021 @06:11PM (#26269558)
I find that the larger trackpads on newer macbooks help with this a lot because the upper right corner of the pad is easily accessible at exactly the same angle of inward rotation by just pulling your elbow back along the side of your body. The Apple magic, I guess, is being able to have that without constant phantom palm touches.

See https://imgur.com/a/qeRQIFD

An offset trackpad would also work, though obviously would be less friendly to lefties.