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Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by thisisbrians on Thursday February 25, 2021 @11:58AM (#26264987)
This is an extremely ambitious project, and hopefully turns out to be worthwhile. For complex/interconnected systems, building ~accurate simulations can vastly decrease the cost of decision-making, and I'm very bullish on digital twin technology, generally. Trying things out in a simulation can be a cheap way to guide more detailed engineering analysis and 'rough in' an approach.

As an example, my startup, Bractlet (bractlet.com), uses detailed, physics-based energy simulation (aka "digital energy twin") technology as a tool to optimize HVAC design and controls in large commercial buildings. I'm sure efficacy varies widely by domain, but it's worked extremely well for us so far; we typically help our customers save about 20-30% on their energy expenditures annually, and the digital twin is the bedrock of our approach.

Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by datalus on Thursday February 25, 2021 @12:38PM (#26265550)
I also like the digital twin concept as it applies to sci-fi. Sometimes I daydream our universe is a digital twin built by an advanced civilization meant to simulate the universe's history looking for clues as to what lead to a calamity that they're trying to undo. Random thought :)
Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by saeranv on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:28PM (#26266257)
Interesting, I have a couple of questions:

- How do model random variables with high variance like occupancy or equipment use? Are you using sensor/monitoring equipment or just trying to model it as best as you can?

- Did you guys use the initial energy model (built by by the design/consultant team) or do you guys build your model from scratch?

- What energy simulation engine do you guys use? I'm just curious if there's any big advantage between the engines for digital twin applications.

Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by thisisbrians on Friday February 26, 2021 @11:24AM (#26276440)
- We use a ton of empirical time series data from the building to calibrate the model.

- There's almost never a model. We build it from scratch in every case.

- We have a highly customized fork of EnergyPlus. They are all difficult to use in our experience, but EnergyPlus allows us to get the detail required for our needs.

Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by nydev on Thursday February 25, 2021 @12:47PM (#26265666)
Fascinating. Would love to see a "digital energy twin" product for residential properties.
Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by thisisbrians on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:02PM (#26265900)
Would love to hear what you're thinking! We've prioritized commercial office as it's great bang-for-buck for our business, but we'd love to expand to other verticals in the future.
Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by nydev on Friday February 26, 2021 @08:54AM (#26274742)
Essentially, provide a way to build a digital "twin" version of my house, and get advice about improving heating/cooling efficiency.
Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by eightysixfour on Thursday February 25, 2021 @12:42PM (#26265599)
Can/does your system simulate the quality of the air as well? In particular particulate matter and CO2 levels.
Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by thisisbrians on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:01PM (#26265875)
We've given this a lot of attention in the age of Covid, as you might imagine. Many modern HVAC control systems include CO₂ sensors in the return air streams to make sure they're bringing in enough outdoor air to meet indoor air quality standards, and that's fairly easy to simulate. Particulate counts are trickier, and may be better estimated using out-of-simulation engineering calculations based on the type of filtration in place.
Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by eightysixfour on Thursday February 25, 2021 @01:42PM (#26266441)
Interesting, mind if I shoot you an email? My family has a business in this space (residential side) and I'd love to chat more.
Re:Scientists begin building highly accurate digital twin of... by thisisbrians on Friday February 26, 2021 @11:16AM (#26276332)
Sure! brian at bractlet dot com