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Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by qPM9l3XJrF on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @05:49PM (#26244052)
>women and people of color are particularly targeted for online abuse

I think you have to be careful with the vocabulary here. If a white man is being abused online, and he complains about it, his complaint may be rendered illegitimate on the basis of being "tone policing". He may be told that "freedom of speech does not mean freedom from its consequences". He may be told that the people abusing him are under no obligation to educate him and are doing "unpaid emotional labor".

"I call out bad behavior, they are trolling, you engage in targeted online harassment."

If anything, I've noticed that women and minorities seem to have more of a blank check to get really crass and say things like "go fuck yourself", etc. I see people being mocked on the basis of being "mediocre white men" far more often on Twitter than I see them mocked on the basis of being "mediocre women of color". Gendered/racialized equivalents of "toxic masculinity" and "whiteness" aren't as widely employed.

(Agreed that social media can be terrible; I hope this initiative makes it better.)

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by bmarquez on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:25PM (#26244443)
> I see people being mocked on the basis of being "mediocre white men" far more often on Twitter than I see them mocked on the basis of being "mediocre women of color"

I've been called an "entitled white dude" even on Hacker News (for not wanting my face to be used by Airbnb "anti-racist" algorithms.) The funny thing is, I'm not even white. I just like privacy.

It opened my eyes to tone policing.

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by pessimizer on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:53PM (#26244685)
I've been followed around forums by stalkers that were afraid I'd go a day without being called an ape. The fixation of a some members of a particular demographic on minorities and women can be completely overwhelming online.

It's not unique, try being Armenian, Kurdish, or Palestinian on twitter. It's intense, and you're outnumbered.

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by qPM9l3XJrF on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @10:08PM (#26246167)
Fair enough! Sorry to hear about that.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by hellomyguys on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:24PM (#26244434)
Why do you think they've been given that blank check? Doesn't have anything to do with hundreds of years of oppression?
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by qPM9l3XJrF on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @10:17PM (#26246207)
My great-grandparent harmed your great-grandparent, and now I am convicted in response?

At the very least this sentence would appear to violate statute of limitations :-) But the bigger problem is that the punishment has no deterrent value--there is no way for me to change my great-grandparent's behavior. And it is straightforwardly unjust to convict me for a crime I didn't commit.

I think this is actually a pretty racist idea--that because you share genes with someone, you are partially responsible for crimes they've committed. It would be like if someone in a small town committed a crime, and the town responded by having the police begin always harassing every member of the criminal's race.

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by hellomyguys on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @11:46AM (#26252077)
Your comment ignores the fact that oppression based on gender and race still exists today.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by qPM9l3XJrF on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @01:23PM (#26253546)
Alright... so my 3rd cousin twice removed did something to oppress your 4th cousin once removed, and that's your justification for abusing me on the basis of my gender/race?

What is being accomplished here?

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by leesalminen on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:29PM (#26244493)
Two wrongs don’t make a right and all that...
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by hellomyguys on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @07:22PM (#26244917)
I prefer to subscribe to "punching up vs down..." as my simplified take
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by adjkant on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:16PM (#26244358)
It seems the core issue of your anecdotal case is that the people you see as being victims here are seen as harassers / antagonists by others. So the direction then goes from "don't harass" to "don't engage with people targeting you".

I'm disappointed but unsurprised that this becomes the focus of the conversation rather than the core purpose, which is to prevent harassment generally. Unless you're coming with stats (not anecdotes that are potentially actually about harassers) that show that the claims in the article about who is most targeted for abuse, you're both creating division and distracting from those who are in need of more help, for what?

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by cobraetor on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:18PM (#26244380)
"Tone policing" was the rationale behind Linux Foundation kicking out of Charles Max Wood from their conference.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21484347

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by statstutor on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:09PM (#26244272)
I would take "go fuck yourself" to be a clear request for personal disengagement and, if that is as far as it goes, is crass/profane but not abusive (in the sense intended here).
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by qPM9l3XJrF on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @01:23PM (#26253550)
In the case I have in mind, the woman of color who said GFY initiated the interaction
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by statstutor on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @03:05PM (#26255010)
That seems unlikely.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by qPM9l3XJrF on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @03:41PM (#26255557)
https://twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1346940524603858944

She initiated the interaction by quote tweeting him

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by statstutor on Thursday February 25, 2021 @08:02PM (#26270400)
Apologies, I thought you meant they initiated by saying "GFY".
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by butt_hugger on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:05PM (#26244229)
How did I know something like this would be the top comment?
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Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by monksy on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:15PM (#26244335)
Got evidence for this?

(I'm not calling you wrong here.. I'm just pointing out that it's very hard to correlate a user with a real identity.. there are a lot of people out there)

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by hellomyguys on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:23PM (#26244422)
Go play any popular game with voice chat and say you're Black.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by adjkant on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:25PM (#26244451)
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by Clampower on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:53PM (#26244682)
Go play any online game and have a gay sounding voice. All of the sudden that great white male privilege women like this think we have also disappears.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by hellomyguys on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @07:15PM (#26244872)
Yup, I agree women and minority groups are often targeted with online harassment. That also doesn't mean a white gay male doesn't benefit from inherent biases elsewhere in society.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by statstutor on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @05:09AM (#26248429)
Abuse for having a feminine-sounding voice is not the zinger against male privilege that you think it is.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by api on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:25PM (#26244444)
A friend of mine got on a programming forum once and pretended to be female. The result was far cringier than I would have predicted.
Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by abadcwm on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:29PM (#26244492)
Similarly, I remember seeing some pretty awful comments on HN threads regarding female programmers.

Comment after comment shitting on their achievements, presumably from mediocre men who feel threatened by a successful woman in the field.

Not just here either. It's an industry-wide problem.

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by abadcwm on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:17PM (#26244360)
No, just vibes.

But I know it's something many others have observed too - it's not like I'm inventing this out of nothing.

Re:Block Party Aims to Be a 'Spam Folder' for Social Media H... by jMyles on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:15PM (#26244329)
If you were an alien visiting our planet and getting a snapshot of our culture, I can totally understand your take. It's very real and mirrors my experience also.

However, you aren't. There's a history here that you seem to be ignoring.

> I see people being mocked on the basis of being "mediocre white men" far more often on Twitter than I see them mocked on the basis of being "mediocre women of color"

Wowza.

Has it occurred to you that centuries of colonization and slavery have rendered marginalized groups in such a way as to be viewed with mediocrity as a default? And territorial, warmongering, profiteering people (among whom, white men have become most wealthy and "successful") are rendered as great?