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Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by bsder on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @05:12PM (#26243609)
> so many of those traditional diners are sourcing all their ingredients from Sysco

The question is what level do you source from Sysco?

Source flour, shortening, sugar, etc. and make your own pie or cake. It will still be unique.

Source pie mix or cake mix from Sysco and, yes, you've lost your uniqueness.

The real question: do the eaters care? The continuing existence of places like Applebee's seems answer the question with "Apparently not."

Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by benrbray on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @09:59PM (#26246115)
> do the eaters care?

I think those who are aware of the problem definitely do care. Many people just don't think about it, because they're not old enough to remember a time where the local diner baked its own pies, simmered its own soups, etc..

For me, all my perceptions of food changed when I started traveling outside the United States. Basic staples like bread and soup taste so good in places like Germany and Japan by default, but food of the same quality in the United States would cost $20-30 per plate.

This is a big reason I started cooking at home. The quality simply isn't there in the American restaurants that are affordable to most people, especially outside of big cities.

Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by bsder on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @06:54AM (#26248993)
> For me, all my perceptions of food changed when I started traveling outside the United States. Basic staples like bread and soup taste so good in places like Germany and Japan by default, but food of the same quality in the United States would cost $20-30 per plate.

So, what killed these restaurants in the US? They used to exist. Why did they go away?

Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by benrbray on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @12:43PM (#26252988)
My theory is cars. Everything is spread so far apart that local businesses can't rely on foot traffic to spur interest, and a 15-minute driving radius doesn't include all that many people. For many people living in suburbs there's no city center to speak of, and they meet all their needs at the local strip mall full of national and multinational restaurant and grocery chains with name recognition.
Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @08:09PM (#26245345)
Well, the real answer of course is that some of the eaters don't care, at least some of the time.

I love good food and I'm a fairly good cook, but that doesn't stop me from picking up dinner at McDonald's when I just don't feel like cooking. I don't think that the existence of Applebee's proves anything other than sometimes people want to "eat a meal that someone else microwaved."

Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by cwwc on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @10:36PM (#26246305)
Also, it is my understanding that Sysco has a multitude of levels (of ingredients/products): some are crap, some less crap, and some “gourmet” in the processed, mass packaged sense of the word.
Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by yardie on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @11:09PM (#26246490)
> do the eaters care?

I got Applebee's because I know exactly what I'm getting everywhere on the country. If I got to an independent restaurant and get served something similar to Applebee's I'm probably going to choose Applebee's next time. If you can't differentiate yourself from a national chain with economies of scale you're going to be put out of business.

Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by FlyMoreRockets on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @11:19PM (#26246530)
During an enlistment in the US Navy I had the opportunity to visit many exotic (to me) foriegn ports. My goal was to explore authentic local food and culture, but inevitably, the buzz when I got back to the ship was the location of the nearest McDonald's. Some peple just crave consistiency and a "taste of home". Each to their own. If I've spent months to get half way around the planet, I sure as hell want to revel in the experience!
Re:How a shadow army of ghost kitchens took over America’s r... by ralphc on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @05:40PM (#26257147)
Different McDonald's around the world have different menu items. It's not so different as to make up for reveling in the experience, but it would be mildly interesting. You can see a version of this by going to https://www.pizzahut.co.in/, https://www.pizzahut.com.hk/en/order, different countries and see what they put on pizza.