Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc...
by yTh0 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:52PM
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I can’t tell if things like this are real issues or “but think of the horse and buggy driver!” problems.
We were teaching kids to read, ethics, morals, long before we had PhDs.
Obsession with normalizing agency to abide fiscal concerns is the real issue here.
Let wealth collapse by refusing to buy into the idea we owe deference to those that hold wealth.
Teach the classics. Write open source.
None of it has to be done for a dollar, or outsized prestige.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc...
by mcguire on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @04:37PM
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"We were teaching kids to read, ethics, morals, long before we had PhDs."
I think I'd like some evidence for that.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc...
by read_if_gay_ on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:37PM
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Is that not obvious? Via the ancient Greek schools of philosophy for example?
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc...
by mcguire on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @10:47AM
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IIUC, the literacy rate was for most of the Mediterranean world was around 20%, specifically excluding slaves and women. Which is pretty high, actually.
The Greek schools of philosophy were taught by the equivalent of PhDs.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc...
by yTh0 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @06:04PM
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The first PhD was awarded in France in 1150 CE.
Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, and even Pre-Columbus America had complex cultural customs, art, math, engineering, medicine, language they handed down generationally.
University as we know it is a relic of Medieval European tradition.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc...
by mcguire on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @10:51AM
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I've seen the literacy rate of medieval Europe estimated at 10%. Ethics and morals were being taught roughly the same way they are now: you believe what your parents believed. Medieval medicine was being taught from translations of Arabic copies of Galen.
Two things stuck out to me the most:
1) This passage was particularly worrying: "I’m not going to downplay the extent of the problems we’re facing. In addition to the concerns facing Classics specifically and the humanities more widely, there are also enormous and terrifying problems facing higher education in general. Even before the massive disruption of the Covid-19 pandemic, these problems already looked insurmountable: on one side the student debt crisis, which has financially crippled an entire generation, and on the other side the increasing precarity of the academic workforce has made teaching Classics (and every other discipline in academia, really) a terrible professional prospect. This is not to mention academia’s endemic problems with classism and sexual harassment."
2) The author/head editor was Donna Zuckerberg. If that name sounds a bit familiar, it's because it is. She is the sister of Mark Zuckerberg, one of the richest people in history. That her assessment of Eidolon's efforts is so dour and bleak, despite her astronomical privilege, should register that there is indeed 'something wrong in Denmark' (the humanities).
The rest of the essay goes into much more depth about what exactly is wrong. But the essence is simple: The Humanities, and the Classics specifically, are Dead.
"Abandon every hope, who enter here."
https://eidolon.pub/my-classics-will-be-intersectional-or-14...