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Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by keiferski on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:24PM (#26241639)
Seems to me like further polarization. Only those that can afford the elite colleges (or be “smart” enough to get in) will be educated, while the rest will skip any personal development and just go right into the market.

Educating people in the skills necessary for being good citizens doesn’t cost that much. Most of the books required are free. Yet somehow the common response to “college is expensive” is “get rid of it” instead of “make it less expensive.”

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by econnors on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:33PM (#26241759)
> Only those that can afford the elite colleges (or be “smart” enough to get in) will be educated

This is how it is today. The only difference is people are paying $40k+ x 4years to "be educated" but they're not actually learning valuable skills.

> Yet somehow the common response to “college is expensive” is “get rid of it” instead of “make it less expensive.”

We've already tried making it less expensive. Students can get low interest rate loans to attend wherever they'd like – unfortunately that just leads to more colleges, more types of useless degrees, and increased tuition.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:51PM (#26242004)
"We've already tried making it less expensive. Students can get low interest rate loans"

What? Giving out easy loans doesn't make something cheaper, it makes something more expensive up to causing a bubble that will crash the rest of economy, like we did with housing in 2008.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by keiferski on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:36PM (#26241802)
Yet somehow the rest of the developed world manages to offer liberal arts degrees that don’t cost $50,000 a year. The trick is: don’t spend millions on football stadiums, don’t hire hundreds of administrators, and don’t offer student loans that are impossible to default on.

It really isn’t that complicated, especially for the single wealthiest country in the history of human civilization.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by CapmCrackaWaka on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:59PM (#26242126)
I work for a consulting company which helps these struggling colleges. It's a difficult discussion to have. When you tell them that they are spending way, way more than they need to on administration, they usually 'ahem' and 'guffaw', especially when the implication is that the people in the room with you are part of the problem.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by fallingknife on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:42PM (#26241884)
Why can't the skills necessary for being good citizens be taught in HS like they were back when going to college was rare?
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by keiferski on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:43PM (#26241910)
Because the world has grown more complex and more education is required. It isn’t 1955 anymore.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by imtringued on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @07:45AM (#26249271)
More education isn't needed. Specialized education tailoring to an individual's needs is what is lacking and somehow everyone decided college is that education, because companies refuse to fund training programs.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by fallingknife on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:54PM (#26242059)
How is the world more complex? What else needs to be taught today?
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by kd0amg on Wednesday February 24, 2021 @01:06PM (#26253295)
And as a follow-up, what of that "else" is taught to a majority of university students?
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by NovemberWhiskey on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @03:36PM (#26242538)
You have the wrong idea because of the headline prices of elite schools. Yes, the prices are high.

On the other hand, no-one who is admitted to (say) Harvard is going to be prevented from going by an inability to pay. These top schools are rich enough to fund need-based scholarships.

(source: wife is a professor at an Ivy League school)

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by michaelt on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @05:41PM (#26243971)
Nobody's "unable to pay" so long as there are government-backed undischargable loans on offer.
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by NovemberWhiskey on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @07:51PM (#26245196)
Please look at some actual data, e.g.

https://admissions.yale.edu/affordability-details

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by RestlessMind on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:40PM (#26241860)
> Yet somehow the common response to “college is expensive” is “get rid of it” instead of “make it less expensive.”

I don't know what country you are talking about but at least in the US, we have community colleges which are very cheap and can "educate people in the skills necessary for being good citizens". It is only the worthless degrees from private / for-profit colleges which are a problem.

Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by keiferski on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:44PM (#26241924)
I have taken classes at communities colleges. I’m sure many are good institutions, but my experience was that absolutely no one there cared about learning. It is very clearly treated as “second class.”
Re:Interest surges in top colleges, while struggling ones sc... by wiz21c on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:31PM (#26241728)
> the skills necessary for being good citizens

this one hundred thousand times.