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Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by tutfbhuf on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:18PM (#26239895)
> There is an easy way. Swap USDT to USDC on Curve. Deposit USDC on Coinbase. Convert USDC to USD on Coinbase. Withdraw USD.

Then what is your explanation for why it is not possible to directly exchange USDT for USD, there must be a reason that no exchange wants to do that.

> that most of the market doesn't perceive a risk.

That is absolutely no indicator for safety.

Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by dcolkitt on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @03:14PM (#26242312)
> That is absolutely no indicator for safety.

Currently, several billion in value is locked into Defi-based liquidity pools with USDT. If USDT collapses tomorrow, the stakers will lose nearly all of their principal. (Fast traders will quickly swap worthless USDT for all the USDC in the pool, before hardly anyone has time to remove liquidity.)

The largest of these pool, currently pays about 2.6%.[1] Even if all of that return reflects USDT credit risk, that market implies a 1/50 chance of USDT collapsing within the next year. I'm not saying the market is necessary correct. But what I am saying is that very deep, liquid markets are not pricing any significant USDT risk.

If you really disagree, you can even short USDT, by borrowing USDT on Compound at 4.2%. Then use that to buy USDC and supply it on Compound at 4.9%.[2] If USDT collapses, you'll make nearly 100% as you'll only have to buy back now worthless USDC. In fact the market will even pay you take this position, with the only risk being if USDC collapses relative to USDT.

[1]https://www.curve.fi/3pool [2]https://compound.finance/markets

Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by ac29 on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @08:09PM (#26245347)
> If you really disagree, you can even short USDT, by borrowing USDT on Compound at 4.2%. Then use that to buy USDC and supply it on Compound at 4.9%.[2] If USDT collapses, you'll make nearly 100% as you'll only have to buy back now worthless USDC. In fact the market will even pay you take this position, with the only risk being if USDC collapses relative to USDT.

This trade involves risk, and not just the direct USDT risk. If it didn't, there's no particular reason multi-billion dollar hedge funds wouldn't buy this down to the yield of an equivalent US treasury or similar.

Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by lovedswain on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @11:11PM (#26246495)
> If it didn't, there's no particular reason multi-billion dollar

This is true in theory but in practice it seems much more commonly false. Even in vastly more mature and liquid markets, straightforward arbitrages can persist for years and in some cases decades, even after an inefficiency becomes public knowledge

Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by vidarh on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:31PM (#26240112)
> Then what is your explanation for why it is not possible to directly exchange USDT for USD, there must be a reason that no exchange wants to do that.

https://global.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=USD-USDT

Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by pas on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:41PM (#26240232)
Do they process withdrawals in a reasonable time?
Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by boring_twenties on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @02:32PM (#26241754)
Dunno about Bittrex but Kraken also has a USD/USDT pair. Withdrawals via wire transfer take around 2 days.
Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by vidarh on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @12:44PM (#26240268)
I have not had problems with them, but I'm also not doing any large transactions.
Re:Bitfinex and Tether required to end all trading activity ... by grlass on Tuesday February 23, 2021 @01:30PM (#26240861)
Also note Kraken, withdrawals are as fast as a wire transfer (so a few days): https://www.kraken.com/en-us/prices/usdt-tether-usd-price-ch...

What I'm not sure is how that market connects to Tether's bank accounts increasing or decreasing in holdings. This is all third-party exchanges, presumably with other customers as the counterparty.