Re:Robert’s Rules Suck: Why We Can’t Make Change Until We Ch...
by titanomachy on Monday February 22, 2021 @07:09PM
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We've experimented with automated timekeeping in our team's meetings, which I guess are "agile" or at least relatively unstructured. Everyone can see how much time everyone else has been speaking, and a little unobtrusive note pops up on your screen if you've been speaking for a long time without a break.
I think it's been good: everyone makes an extra effort not to interrupt the less outgoing people when they speak. Some outgoing people on my team commented that they didn't realize how much they dominated the conversation before. Best of all, a couple meetings don't need to happen anymore because it turns out that 1-3 people did all the talking and the others were just showing up because they thought it was expected of them.
Re:Robert’s Rules Suck: Why We Can’t Make Change Until We Ch...
by sep_field on Monday February 22, 2021 @07:11PM
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this sounds cool! what are you using for the automatic timekeeping?
Re:Robert’s Rules Suck: Why We Can’t Make Change Until We Ch...
by sep_field on Monday February 22, 2021 @06:38PM
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Yeah, I thought the promotion of Agile was pretty lame in this context. But overall still thought the article was thought provoking and had some good points that would make an interesting discussion here.
Corporate ideation and decision making processes in general, and certainly this includes Agile, prioritize producing the best outcome with the least energy and don't place any intrinsic value on making sure that people are represented, so they are probably not the best fit for democratic governence.
For a discussion of why fluidity and informality in process can be problematic, the seminal essay is The Tyranny of Structurelessness (https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm).
It sounds like the structure that the city council committee is using here doesn't work. But the author is wrong to expect a truly inclusive democratic process to feel good. It goes against our nature as social beings, will be unpleasant, and require a ton of additional effort to get a similar quality result compared to a more natural process.