Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by 1-more on Monday February 22, 2021 @02:56PM
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But they can be undone with pencil and paper too. The footgun of automation here can only be undone with either a really good patch (git commit -m 'finally finally works for real this time') or a lot of pencil and paper work that's slower than the processes that caused the problem.
I'll note that this isn't the first time that people have said "well its the algorithm" when they were responsible. The example that springs to mind is bail risk assessments. You're very correct in that there are people making real decisions that are very cruel here. The machines give them something to hide behind.
Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by jjoonathan on Monday February 22, 2021 @03:02PM
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Yes. "It's just the algorithm" is the "it's just procedure" of the 21st century.
Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by frompdx on Monday February 22, 2021 @02:50PM
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Except software allows a scale and efficiency that is impossible with pencil and paper while also creating an ideal scapegoat. Software is being used to avoid accountability at a scale much greater than what was possible with manual process.
Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by Kalium on Monday February 22, 2021 @03:14PM
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The old saw about computers is that they're designed to allow humans to make millions of mistakes, very quickly and very accurately.
Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by Kinrany on Monday February 22, 2021 @03:42PM
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> Software is being used to avoid accountability
Right, in the same way knives are used to rob people.
This is not a new problem: an organization strategically builds an unmanageable bureacracy and then profits off the issue while claiming incompetence.
Computers just make said bureaucracy cheaper to operate.
Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by phone8675309 on Monday February 22, 2021 @03:26PM
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Isn't this the basis of the book "IBM and the Holocaust"[1] where the author lays out how IBM's technology helped facilitate the wide scale of Nazi genocide?
Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by underwater on Monday February 22, 2021 @03:35PM
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How is this a government problem? People frequently lose access to social network accounts and email because of broken algorithms. Google can blacklist a business and send it broke. Insurance companies, credit bureaus and banks can make a wrong decision and deny credit.
Re:Whistleblowers: Software keeping inmates in Arizona priso...
by hodgesrm on Monday February 22, 2021 @04:11PM
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People decide to fix problems in software or anything else for that matter. If they don't get fixed it's usually a matter of somebody (or bodies) decided it was not a priority.
You are attacking the wrong target. It's the government that's broken. This kind of outrage can happen just as easily with pencil and paper. The root cause is the lack of accountability and desire to make the government function better.