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Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by skybrian on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:16PM (#26227096)
How does borrowing work in an automated, trustless environment? Doesn’t someone have to decide whether you’re likely to pay back the loan with money you haven’t earned yet?
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by rawtxapp on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:18PM (#26227128)
It's over-collaterized, so you put more crypto than the loan value.

You might say "why the hell would I do that?", in order of importance: 1) you hold on to your asset's appreciation, 2) access the liquidity, 3) avoid capital gains tax.

Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by lasc4r on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:39PM (#26227467)
So the killer use case is a scheme to avoid capital gains taxes? Sounds about right.
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by throwaway829 on Monday February 22, 2021 @04:01PM (#26230547)
You realize elites are already doing this with USD. It's not unique to crypto.
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by langitbiru on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:58PM (#26227758)
I think in the past someone mentioned about under-collaterized loan. It's based on your reputation. The idea is you use your Ethereum account to do activities. Based on these activities, people could give you a loan. Such activities can be something like answering questions (imagine Stackoverflow but the authentication runs on Ethereum).
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by skybrian on Monday February 22, 2021 @01:49PM (#26228623)
Okay, but it seems like the reputation evaluation isn’t automated, so this is more like fundraising?
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by tarsinge on Monday February 22, 2021 @05:21PM (#26231464)
You can do loans with no collateral at all if you use flash loans.
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by skybrian on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:34PM (#26227366)
Okay, but that seems like a pretty small niche? Most people don’t borrow just to save money on taxes on their cryptocurrency gains.
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by rawtxapp on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:52PM (#26227660)
They might borrow to hold on to their asset's appreciation.
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by skybrian on Monday February 22, 2021 @01:56PM (#26228772)
You could lock in the gain by selling at the current price, so that still sounds like tax avoidance. Or possibly leverage, if you think the price will go up more?
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by rawtxapp on Monday February 22, 2021 @02:57PM (#26229724)
Yes, you could leverage, you could hedge yourself by buying stocks. Or you could just spend the money on whatever else you want.
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by tarsinge on Monday February 22, 2021 @05:20PM (#26231456)
Look up Aave it’s Open Source, I was surprised at first but it seems to work. Also flash loans are an interesting new financial tool previously not available for individuals.
Re:Ethereum Isn't Fun Anymore by parliament32 on Monday February 22, 2021 @12:23PM (#26227193)
You have to put down collateral. Same idea as reverse mortgages on houses, or taking out an RSP-backed LOC.