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Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by hntrader on Sunday February 21, 2021 @11:19AM (#26214596)
Isn't the point of nuclear to provide power when it's not sunny as a cheaper alternative to storage in batteries? If so then what's the purpose of comparing the cost of solar and nuclear as if they're directly competing for the same use case?
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by cygx on Sunday February 21, 2021 @11:34AM (#26214763)
Nuclear reactors don't make sense as peaker plants, hence are not a battery replacement as such.

You're correct that one should factor in the cost of storage if one wants to considers renewables as an alternative to nuclear for providing base load power.

Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by rhodozelia on Sunday February 21, 2021 @08:38PM (#26219651)
Granted, I’ve never worked on a natural gas fired turbine, but I imagine every generator given the option would prefer to run consistentently at maximum output as that is how they would get the maximum ROI.

Hydro plants can adjust output but it changes river levels and flows with environmental consequences.

I imagine nuclear plants could use control rods to generate less power if they had to?

Or if you have the nuclear power because you need it anyway in case it isn’t sunny/windy but it is a sunny and windy day how do you decide if solar/wind or nuclear should be curtailed? Both have near zero marginal cost.

Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by hntrader on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:50PM (#26215461)
Thanks. Any ideas how storage impacts the total cost of using only solar+wind?
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by pfdietz on Sunday February 21, 2021 @01:29PM (#26215792)
https://model.energy/

Play with the assumptions and see for yourself.

Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by cygx on Sunday February 21, 2021 @01:00PM (#26215543)
Not off-hand, no. Also note that such figures will be estimates: We've yet to raise the share of renewables to levels where such costs really become significant...
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by afterburner on Sunday February 21, 2021 @11:30AM (#26214714)
> Isn't the point of nuclear to provide power when it's not sunny as a cheaper alternative to storage in batteries? If so then what's the purpose of comparing the cost of solar and nuclear as if they're directly competing for the same use case?

What the hell are you talking about.

Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by hntrader on Sunday February 21, 2021 @11:35AM (#26214768)
Solar doesn't provide off peak power without storage. So comparing nuclear directly to solar in the way you've done makes no sense.
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by afterburner on Sunday February 21, 2021 @11:44AM (#26214875)
I believe solar and wind can provide for ALL power. Same as nuclear. That is the basis for my comparison.
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by hntrader on Sunday February 21, 2021 @11:51AM (#26214939)
Still doesn't make sense. Even if what you say is true, then the valid comparison is to compare nuclear to wind rather than nuclear to solar.
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by afterburner on Sunday February 21, 2021 @11:57AM (#26215007)
Again, what the hell are you talking about. These are bad faith arguments. Moving goalposts, redefining everything. What a joke.
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by hntrader on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:13PM (#26215186)
I'll put aside your rudeness (I assume you think this is a status contest, or maybe you've just misunderstood my intentions) and try to explain again.

Solar being cheaper than nuclear makes it a foregone conclusion for daytime electricity supply.

However the direct comparison you were making in the first paragraph of your original post between nuclear price and solar price is nonsensical because they're not in direct competition with each other. Nuclear satisfies a slightly different use case to solar.

Nuclear instead is in direct competition with sources that are capable of providing base load power such as gas and solar+storage. The only meaningful price comparison is between nuclear and these other sources, since we need to decide if the stack is going to be solar+storage, solar+nuclear, etc.

Comparing solar prices directly to nuclear prices without considering the whole stack is just a meaningless comparison.

Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by afterburner on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:37PM (#26215363)
Let me get this straight. You think every time I mention solar, I mean solar without storage? Lol have fun arguing with yourself.
Re:Activists who embrace nuclear power by Daho0n on Sunday February 21, 2021 @04:51PM (#26217594)
Go back to reddit.