Re:Highest rates of teen bullying are between friends and fr...
by telchar on Sunday February 21, 2021 @12:02PM
(#26215052)
Admittedly I came at the GP harder than I could have, but it's so easy to write off large diverse institutions as "fucking bullshit" and poison a discussion before it even starts that I think it was warranted (that was the top comment at the time). One of the things about bullying is it's so easy to walk around tossing bombs (metaphorically) that sometimes people don't realize what they're doing until one of those bombs explodes a little closer than usual.
The OP didn't critique anything. Simply decrying an entire institution isn't a critique, it's a denouncement. A critique involves analysis.
Also, if I violated HN guidelines, so have you, by calling me out in turn.
Re:Highest rates of teen bullying are between friends and fr...
by zepto on Sunday February 21, 2021 @01:35PM
(#26215857)
> if I violated HN guidelines, so have you, by calling me out in turn.
In a mild way, yes. The guidelines actually say to flag and not comment.
However, I didn’t try to insult you, and there is a difference.
This comment of yours result seems to be just doubling down.
> it's so easy to write off large diverse institutions as "fucking bullshit" and poison a discussion before it even starts
The commenter didn’t actually say this. You are misrepresenting them.
Also, they didn’t poison the discussion. It seems to have proceeded just fine, both in the replies to them, and elsewhere.
Clearly they are not doing what the article describes. No individuals were hurt by the writing of that comment.
> Your shallow analysis and careless invective,
Seems like you are trying to hurt the poster with this insulting dismissal. The poster is an individual who can be hurt.
> somehow pointing the finger at school systems for something that is largely a result of human nature, is bullying.
This is a false dichotomy. Bullying is clearly a result of human nature.
However an individual’s exposure to bullying is clearly a result of the social systems they are exposed to. If there are differences in incidence of bullying in different social systems, we can certainly say that systems are also a cause.
> You’re throwing school systems under the bus for internet points.
You are throwing an individual peer on HN under the bus for internet points. This is against HN guidelines, unlike critiquing a system.
> Could schools handle bullying better? Probably.
Seems like you think the current level of bullying may be the best we can do?.
> But your call for “questioning” is not at all constructive or actionable.
This is obviously totally false.
1. There are many alternative schooling systems, and many alternatives to schooling.
2. Many comments on this post are doing the exact questioning the commenter is calling for.
It’s certainly constructive to question the school system which results from government policy, and certainly actionable.
> To me you demonstrate only that what the article describes works just as well on hn as it does in schools. Dunking on easy targets for social standing.
The OP is critiquing an abstract system. You are attacking an individual. Which behavior fit the description in the above paragraph better?