Re:The Process Is Not the Product. The New Agile Anti-Manifesto
by satyrnein on Saturday February 20, 2021 @08:34AM
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Hospitals have hospital administrators at the top, which are not doctors. Law firms do have lawyers on top, but they are basically like small consulting shops. (Small tech consulting shops similarly have tech people on top.) In most companies, though, legal is just a department like any other.
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Re:The Process Is Not the Product. The New Agile Anti-Manifesto
by agumonkey on Saturday February 20, 2021 @01:52PM
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A french documentary about hospital failure mentioned this, from what I recall majority of administrators is a somehow recent thing and people firmly believe that it's a main factor in the degradation of the field.
Re:The Process Is Not the Product. The New Agile Anti-Manifesto
by marcosdumay on Saturday February 20, 2021 @09:28AM
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> Hospitals have hospital administrators at the top
I really don't understand how this does not create an endless stream of problems (or, quite likely, it does, but they are well hidden). But keep in mind that the power of hospital administrators is severely restricted compared to software development managers (what is really reasonable, by the way).
It's a general rule for all kinds of engineering that one can not deliver quality if the management isn't composed of good engineers. You can deliver all kinds of stuff, but not quality.
Re:The Process Is Not the Product. The New Agile Anti-Manifesto
by satyrnein on Saturday February 20, 2021 @10:08AM
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Andy Jassy ran AWS without being an engineer. I'm sure there are downsides, but I think many engineers are biased against managers in a way that doesn't match the reality.
Re:The Process Is Not the Product. The New Agile Anti-Manifesto
by avereveard on Saturday February 20, 2021 @03:48PM
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but they aren't in control of operations.
imagine management asking surgeons to cut corners and water down disinfectants, the lawsuit would be _legendary_