"The way C handles pointers was a brilliant innovation." (1993 Knuth interview)

Re:"The way C handles pointers was a brilliant innovation." ... by jrockway on Wednesday July 30, 2008 @12:56PM (#262007)

But are their debugging tools and OS integration as good as .NET development or Java development?

Most Lisp programmers don't dig themselves into the holes that the .NET and Java debuggers are good at getting you out of.

Also, if Emacs is your OS, CL integrates quite well.

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Re:"The way C handles pointers was a brilliant innovation." ... by amackera on Wednesday July 30, 2008 @01:07PM (#262021)

What you're saying is that Python & Lisp debugging tools and OS integration are as good as .NET and Java. I agree.

The problem is that it's hard to convince other people of that, without forcing them to try it for a while.

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Re:"The way C handles pointers was a brilliant innovation." ... by jrockway on Wednesday July 30, 2008 @01:29PM (#262046)

Agreed. UNIX is the IDE for Lisp and Python. It's very functional and very customizable, but the learning curve is kind of high. So high, in fact, that most people never realize it's an IDE.

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Re:"The way C handles pointers was a brilliant innovation." ... by helveticaman on Thursday July 31, 2008 @01:19AM (#262713)

How high? I've been trying to learn lisp for a while, and it's been kicking my ass. How long did it take you?

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Re:"The way C handles pointers was a brilliant innovation." ... by jrockway on Friday August 01, 2008 @11:49AM (#264104)

A day spent reading the emacs lisp manual was enough to productive. CL is a whole 'nother animal, but once you get a feel for the language, it's just a matter of searching the hyperspec. Eventually you learn that the function you are trying to implement is probably already built in in about 12 different variants.

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