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Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by edbob on Thursday February 18, 2021 @06:32PM (#26187343)
The article finds fault particularly with the national standards not being adequate, and specifically points out that the standards in Texas are more strict than the national standards. He goes on to give some details on the enforcement of those Texan standards. In this case, following national standards as opposed to Texas's standards would have led to an even worse disaster.

Your claim that being on a separate grid caused the outage is too strong to be supported by the data in the article, which is why he doesn't make that claim. Additional data could come out either in favor of or against your claim: although the interconnect bandwidth was fully utilized (edit: txlpo78 points out that it was not fully utilized), we need solid data on whether Mexico and the neighboring states facing similar struggles could spare significantly more capacity. If not, then having more interconnect bandwidth would not have helped much. If they had power to spare, then the interconnects were indeed a problem.

No one is attacking regulation. Virtually everyone I've seen is in agreement that better regulation is necessary in this situation.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by CalChris on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:55PM (#26188081)
No one is attacking regulation. Virtually everyone I've seen is in agreement that better regulation is necessary in this situation.

Rick Perry specifically attacked regulation.

https://news.yahoo.com/rick-perry-suggests-texans-prefer-191...

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by edbob on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:20PM (#26188272)
He's not speaking against all regulation, only a specific subset of regulation, namely federal. (I apologize for being unclear: I did not mean to imply that all regulation is accepted equally, merely that nearly everyone accepts that stricter regulation at some level of government is necessary to prevent future blackouts. Many Texans would demand state-level regulation but would spurn federal). I'm not sure why he even brought it up, to be honest. It seems irrelevant to the current situation. Tougher state regulations are a foregone conclusion, and the applicable federal regulations (such as those applying to gas suppliers) are not something Texans have any influence over at this time.

As a side note, Rick Perry is pretty much irrelevant to Texans AFAICT. Perhaps that's why he's making these unsolicited, strong statements.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by 8note on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:29PM (#26188341)
He recently ran the department of energy, didn't he?

As in, he was the federal regulator who failed here. There's a self interested reason to bad mouth federal regulation to avoid blame

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by edbob on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:33PM (#26188387)
You are correct that he held that position under Trump and bears responsibility for problems with federal regulations.

However, his strict anti-federal stance goes back many years. He did not adopt it or even emphasize it to make excuses for this situation. He's just like that.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by fuzzfactor on Friday February 19, 2021 @12:43AM (#26190155)
Perry was governor in 2011 when it was undoubtable improvements were necessary if another freeze like that were to be mitigated to a greater degree rather than exacerbated like we have seen occur instead.

Present Governor Abbot followed Perry and Abbot is just the opposite of advanced.

He had plenty of time to improve the situation, whether it was regulation or ERCOT reorganization or any number of other details that ratepayers have already paid for for decades, no one else was in a stronger position to do something to make up for Perry's Bozoness.

And Perry,

>He's just like that.

Even less advanced.

What's the opposite of advanced anyway?

I thought so.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by jshevek on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:28PM (#26188332)
No, that source does not validate your claim. Rick Perry did not "attack regulation".
Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by edbob on Thursday February 18, 2021 @08:47PM (#26188500)
I'd like to try to gently point out that this isn't a very helpful way to comment. Perry did make very strong statements that show hostility to federal regulation. I myself would not characterize it as "attacking regulation", but it's not completely unreasonable to. One should allow for that kind of difference in viewpoint—speaking from experience, quibbling about precise wording won't get us anywhere, so it's usually better to allow your opponent (or partner) a generous amount of leeway. (Sometimes there are exceptions, as defining something as a "riot" or "insurrection" can be the whole crux of an issue, but this is rare compared to number of times that debate over wording completely derails a discussion).

I agree with your statement in the sense that, as I posted above, he was only criticizing one specific type of regulation. But if that is your take, or if you have a similar point to make, you really need to spell out exactly what you mean. Your current comment comes off as "you're wrong" without any helpful explanation. But, as I explained, his choice of wording is not at all unreasonable. It's very difficult for anyone to know how you think he's wrong if you don't spell it out.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by txlpo78 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @06:38PM (#26187393)
> although the interconnect bandwidth was fully utilized, we need solid data on whether the neighboring states facing similar struggles could spare significantly more capacity. If not, then having more interconnect bandwidth would not have helped much. If they had power to spare, then the interconnects were indeed a problem.

As a data point: the interconnects were not fully utilized, as the Eastern DC tie had to be severed yesterday because power emergencies in the Eastern US meant that grid had no electricity to spare.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by edbob on Thursday February 18, 2021 @06:43PM (#26187445)
Thank you for that data. Your other comment is very helpful too[0], although I look forward to seeing some good hard data. I've been a bit spoiled by how much detailed data ERCOT provides.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26187282

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by reportingsjr on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:30PM (#26187868)
Can you provide a source for that?
Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by gwoplock on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:35PM (#26187905)
If I'm reading http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/html/real_time_system_condi... right there is no power across the DC_L (Laredo VFT), DC_R (Railroad) and DC_S (Eagle Pass) HVDC ties.

for posterity:

  DC Tie Flows  
  DC_E (East)  -595  
  DC_L (Laredo VFT)  0  
  DC_N (North)  -218  
  DC_R (Railroad)  0  
  DC_S (Eagle Pass)  0
Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by txlpo78 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:41PM (#26187960)
For reference, the Laredo, Railroad, and Eagle Pass ties are all connections to Mexico’s power grid. They’ve been at zero most of this week because Mexico is also dealing with major power outages along the border, and so they don’t have any electricity to share.

The North tie connects to the Western US grid in Oklahoma, while the East tie connects to the Eastern US grid near the border with Arkansas/Louisiana. They’ve been fluctuating between 0-600 this week depending on how much power has been available on those grids.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by txlpo78 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @07:34PM (#26187892)
http://www.ercot.com/news/releases/show/225369

> the Midwest went into a power emergency of their own, and ERCOT was no longer able to import approximately 600 MW.

Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by slenk on Thursday February 18, 2021 @09:57PM (#26189063)
It feels like people are blaming other networks for needing their planned-for emergency capacity and not dropping everything for TX
Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by snowwindwaves on Thursday February 18, 2021 @11:30PM (#26189748)
People are attacking texas' less interconnected system for being "independent" and others are pointing out more interconnections from places with no power to spare would not have helped.
Re:The Texas power outage is a nation-wide problem by hayst4ck on Friday February 19, 2021 @02:48AM (#26190655)
Assuming there is a planned extra capacity/planned expected failure rate/additional set of regulations and guidelines, its not mainly the literal "connectedness" of the grids, but the "independence" part that is being attacked, specifically being independent from federal oversight.