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Re:Judge: Citibank isn't entitled to $500M it sent to variou... by capableweb on Thursday February 18, 2021 @11:16AM (#26181670)
> But it could also have been avoided by longer and more extensive training, right?

Sure, it maybe could, but why risk it? Humans are also humans, and even pilots with endless amount of flight time does mistakes sometimes, because we're all humans. The idea is to work with the idea that sometimes we fail, even if we are well trained, so when failures happen, it's easy to recover.

> Where do you draw the line between blaming the UX and blaming the training process, or the inevitable cases where an irreversible decision made under uncertainty turned out to be the wrong one?

Basically, it's always the UX. If there is a case where the pilot made the wrong decision, something needs to change so if a pilot with similar experience, wouldn't have made that decision with a different UX. Basically force the pilots to do the right decision, always.

I'm not 100% on the history of all of this, so if someone is more familiar with it, please correct me. But I think it started with "Crew resource management" to ensure proper training of the crew. It has gone through many iterations where less and less blame is being made on the crew and more on the equipment. I think the point of the current iteration basically boils down to "Human-error will happen, let's plan for it and if human-error lead to a plane going down, let's fix it so the same error would be prevented".

Re:Judge: Citibank isn't entitled to $500M it sent to variou... by NovemberWhiskey on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:28PM (#26183572)
>Basically, it's always the UX. If there is a case where the pilot made the wrong decision, something needs to change so if a pilot with similar experience, wouldn't have made that decision with a different UX. Basically force the pilots to do the right decision, always.

That's not realistic. If you think it is realistic, please take a look at the investigation report for PK8303. Some pilots will disregard alerts, override safeties and ignore procedures: there's only so much a system can do to promote good decision-making.

https://www.caapakistan.com.pk/Upload/SIBReports/AAIB-431.pd...

Re:Judge: Citibank isn't entitled to $500M it sent to variou... by thaumasiotes on Thursday February 18, 2021 @05:23PM (#26186588)
> If there is a case where the pilot made the wrong decision, something needs to change so if a pilot with similar experience, wouldn't have made that decision with a different UX. Basically force the pilots to do the right decision, always.

If it were possible to do this, we wouldn't have pilots at all.