Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by hnburnsy on Thursday February 18, 2021 @12:04AM
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Fun fact, California entities own 27% of Palo Verde Generating Station in Arizona.
Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by addicted on Thursday February 18, 2021 @04:18AM
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Nuclear is more expensive than wind or solar with way higher upfront investment and way higher lead time to start generating money. And in the US, thanks to NIMBY politics, there’s no solution for long term waste disposal either.
Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by belorn on Thursday February 18, 2021 @05:30AM
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nuclear does not need to compete with wind or solar. Build as much wind and solar that is possible, and don't let nuclear investment impact solar or wind investments.
Nuclear compete with energy generated from fossil fuel, either locally or bought from neighbours, and future battery technology. The waste problem of nuclear is a problem, but not as big as the waste problem of fossil fuels.
Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by ed25519FUUU on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:45AM
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California has tons of solar. It has so much solar that it’s paying other people to take energy during the peak of the duck curve.
Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by hnburnsy on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @11:58PM
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Arizona does this (see Palo Verde Generating Station, the largest power plant in the US by generation) and I benefit with $0.05230 per kWh off peak (off peak is 8 pm - 3 pm on weekdays, all day on weekends and 10 holidays).
Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by adanto6840 on Thursday February 18, 2021 @12:37AM
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That's about the same as the non-summer part of ToU plan in NV -- both peak & off-peak. It's about a cent cheaper off-peak right now.
On the TOU plan in NV, weekdays in June thru Sept, from 1PM to 7PM, it's ~0.45/kWh -- but rest of the time it's under 6c/kWh -- comparable [or less] than your rate.
Hard to believe we haven't figured out efficient, reliable, & redundant long-distance electricity transmission at this point.
I generated almost 100kWh today & have used ~half that; it sure seems like transmission is almost as big of an issue as storage.
Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by Rebelgecko on Thursday February 18, 2021 @01:08AM
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The vast majority of nuclear power plants are built next to oceans and large lakes. The one that my sibling commenters mentioned in Arizona is the only exception to that rule in the US.
Re:Electricity over $900/MWh in most of Western US now
by imtringued on Thursday February 18, 2021 @03:44AM
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Large nuclear power plants have unique cooling needs. You must place them near a big body of water or risk shutting them down because of insufficient cooling if you place then near rivers.
I suppose Mexico might be cheaper as Nevada lacks water, particularly in remote regions where there'd be the least local resistance. Baja California has the Pacific and the Gulf of California; Sonora has the Gulf of California.
California's unique history of opposition to nuclear is unfortunate, but there are larger dynamics that are also suffocating nuclear in California; dynamics that at most are only marginally stronger in California as compared to elsewhere in the United States. Oregon or Washington could also build more nuclear plants. They already export a significant amount of electricity to California, especially to Southern California. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie) Nuclear is disfavored everywhere, and even where it's allowed and nominally profitable the RoI still sucks, so it doesn't take much friction to shift investment elsewhere. We need change at the national level to make nuclear practical again.
Though, now I'm genuinely curious why Mexico doesn't have more than its current two nuclear plants. PEMEX? (Note: Not that I think that Mexico is some third-world country bereft of regulations and organized opposition. I'm sure many of the reasons are similar as elsewhere. Still, I bet therein lie some interesting and informative stories.)