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Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @12:34PM (#26169007)
He seems like the kind of CEO I would love to work for.

It seems like he tries to care about his users a lot, and wants his team to as well.

Also, the "offensive things" in his talks were only offensive to a small vocal minority by his own account.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by raclage on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:07PM (#26169489)
> Also, the "offensive things" in his talks were only offensive to a small vocal minority by his own account.

Is that really something we should take at face value? There are plenty of instances of people getting unreasonably offended but it's also extremely common for people to be shitty to their colleagues and use this as an excuse. He provides no actual examples.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by campl3r on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:45PM (#26169925)
It aligns nearly perfectly with most other reports out of google.
Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:22PM (#26169669)
Well, there is a little context provided by the post itself. While a lot of people seem to be calling him toxic, he comes off as quite genuine to me.
Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by raclage on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:27PM (#26169734)
People can be genuinely toxic though.

Personally I've met and worked with lots of people that were in many ways friendly and genuine but had some weakness or quirk that induced them to mistreat their coworkers.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by flyinglizard on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:22PM (#26174268)
I don’t think I’ve met many genuinely toxic people. They exist but usually you’d hear all about them before your first week is over.

The second kind of people you mention are, well, human. Such small transgressions exist in family and among friends as well.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by thethethethe on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:45PM (#26169917)
> offensive to a small vocal minority

I really don't see how this is an excuse. it's like saying "black people are a minority in the US so who cares if they say they are oppressed"

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:49PM (#26169961)
I think it's reasonable to assume that not everyone is going to like everything that you say. I don't think this is an issue.

If there's a specific demographic that is consistently affected by what you're saying, there might be an issue though.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by thethethethe on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:59PM (#26170080)
> I think it's reasonable to assume that not everyone is going to like everything that you say.

Sure but it's really not that hard to keep things under control in the work place. I have my own opinions, sometimes I share them at work, sometimes people may disagree, however, I don't "rack up multiple HR complaints" like this guy did.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @02:11PM (#26170223)
"After the acquisition, I was invited to speak on many different Google panels and events and very quickly, I began racking up my HR complaints. I used a four letter word, my analogy was not PC, my language was not PG"

Firstly, these came from events he was _invited_ to speak at. If you invite someone to speak and then don't let them speak their mind what was the point in inviting them?

Secondly, as a non-american none of the things he mentions are egregious. A bit unprofessional? Yeah, probably. But not worthy of being reported to HR.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by thethethethe on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @02:22PM (#26170343)
I'm sorry but this makes no sense. So what if he was invited to speak? Can we not hold people accountable for their actions just because they were invited to speak?

How do you know whether or not the things he said were worthy of reporting to HR? He didn't say what they were for a reason

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @02:37PM (#26170553)
It seems like we're at an impasse.

To me, it sounds like people wanted to "hold him accountable" for upsetting them. You clearly think otherwise.

And I don't know, but the article makes me believe he is not out to attack people. Some people have also pointed out cultural differences that are likely at play here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26168899.

Again, you clearly think differently given one of your other comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26170030.

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by thethethethe on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @03:33PM (#26171342)
> To me, it sounds like people wanted to "hold him accountable" for upsetting them. You clearly think otherwise

No this is exactly what I think. I think it is valid for people to air the grievances. I think the difference here is that you are skeptical of the validity if their complaints. If I am right, this is a pretty fundamental difference in world view that I doubt can be reconciled on a HN thread at this point unless you disagree

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @04:01PM (#26171725)
Yes, that's what I meant and I agree it's probably not going to be reconciled in a HN thread.
Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by dshpala on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @05:09PM (#26172478)
This analogy is a bit careless.

You can't just throw BLM around, or we'll end up with stuff like: "So yeah, this code is bad and I'm the only one who thinks so, but not caring about my opinion is like not caring about oppression of black people!".

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by thethethethe on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @06:02PM (#26173025)
> This analogy is a bit careless.

I disagree. The OP was essentially arguing that being offensive to a group of people is okay if that group is a minority. I was simply demonstrating how absurd that argument is when directly applied to a specific group of people.

I honestly don't even understand your analogy, it isn't similar to what I was saying at all. It is pretty safe to assume the author of the article was saying offensive things to a group of people, not having an unpopular opinion about something in general. These are two very different things that any sensible person with empathy would be able to differentiate. So, because of these inherent differences, your slippery slope argument makes no sense and is not be reflected in actual social interactions

Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by DC1350 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:00PM (#26169383)
Why would you ever prioritize your users over yourself? They have no idea who you are and they don't care. Don't you have your own goals to worry about?
Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:17PM (#26169617)
Where does he say to prioritize users over yourself?
Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by DC1350 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:24PM (#26169685)
That's what caring about the users or the product at the expense of ladder climbing is.
Re:Why did I leave Google or, why did I stay so long? by ZephyrBlu on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @01:36PM (#26169833)
I think having a mercenary-like attitude is just as bad as naively sacrificing your time for the company. Why can't there be a middle ground?