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Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by Spivak on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @10:05AM (#26167048)
I still don't see a way to resolve the problem that software isn't fungible and so multiple app stores are only good for publisher choice but not user choice.

Without the requirement that all apps able to be purchased on all stores at similar prices and still under Apple's review process then apps will flock to the store that makes them the most money and fewest rules and users will have no choice but to acquire that app via that store. If I have to go to X store for an app I need I don't really have my choice of store.

Do gamers like the current culture of having to have Origin, Steam, UPlay, Epic, GOGs, Blizzard Store, for no other reason than large middlemen playing Civ with marketshare and exclusives?

I think if this issue was solved we would see less people desiring Apple to have such tight control over their ecosystem because it would mean that for users that like Apple's store opening up isn't a strict downgrade for them.

Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by Qahlel on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @11:15AM (#26168039)
> Do gamers like the current culture of having to have Origin, Steam, UPlay, Epic, GOGs, Blizzard Store, for no other reason than large middlemen playing Civ with marketshare and exclusives?

I don't like my game library is fragmented. But what if Steam was the only store for PC and I wasn't able to buy/play any Epic or EA games because of that? That would be worse.

Or what if the game prices had to be higher than current prices since the only place I can buy a game was steam and there was no competition?

Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by Spivak on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @11:43AM (#26168379)
> But what if Steam was the only store for PC and I wasn't able to buy/play any Epic or EA games because of that? That would be worse.

I guess but if Steam was genuinely the only place where people bought games then Epic and EA games would have no choice but to list on Steam which makes you better off, no?

> Or what if the game prices had to be higher than current prices since the only place I can buy a game was steam and there was no competition?

This I think is the meat of the argument but I think it falls down because competition gets weird with software and copyrighted properties. There's no competition between Steam and Origin for games that are only on Origin. If Microsoft Word is only available on the Windows Store for iOS then there's nothing to compete over for a user that needs Word.

Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by yladiz on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @10:15AM (#26167198)
Yeah, this isn't really about "choice", it's about control. If there are exclusives on, for example, an iOS Epic store, your choice isn't really a choice, you have to install it from the Epic store.

I'm curious how this will play out in general. Android already allows side-loaded applications, and Epic allowed people to install Fortnite outside of the Play Store and it did poorly, so they begrudgingly added Fortnite back into the Play Store, so I imagine it would be the same thing on iOS. Arguably it could be even more challenging for others because Apple would likely not be forced to treat non-App Store stores the same as the App Store in some ways, which would very likely lead to a situation where users would get popups when when install the new app store and when they load an app, similar to how running a nonsigned program works on Mac now.

Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by syberspace on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @10:30AM (#26167408)
Who is forcing you to install apps from any store? Are you being held hostage and compelled to install apps against your will? Blink twice for yes, three times for no.
Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by Spivak on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @11:52AM (#26168488)
Ohmygod I can't deal this reductionist stance on choice. Software isn't fungible. If you, for example, want to play a specific game, need a specific messenger to talk to your friends, or need a specific app for work like the Adobe suite or Procreate then you have no choice but to go to a store where those apps are available. If Photoshop is only in the Adobe store then you're gonna have to download and use that store if you want it. Having the choice to not use Photoshop isn't the same thing as having the choice about where to buy Photoshop.
Re:Epic Games steps up Apple fight with EU antitrust complaint by throwaway3699 on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @10:36AM (#26167496)
GOG is an exception there, given that all their games are DRM-free, and I know many people find Steam/Valve to genuinely be a good steward of the industry. The rest of the stores - plenty of peer pressure if your friends want you to play a specific title with them on those platforms, leaving little choice.