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Re:Computers Aren't Fun Anymore (2020) by slooonz on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @03:59PM (#26158747)
> This is my blog, so I'll use my definition — "fun" to me is being able to get my computer to effortlessly do things I have to and want to do.

Computers were never fun in that sense. Probably never will be.

Re:Computers Aren't Fun Anymore (2020) by benibela on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @04:22PM (#26158955)
They were fun with Delphi on Windows 98
Re:Computers Aren't Fun Anymore (2020) by type0 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @04:29PM (#26159038)
Re:Computers Aren't Fun Anymore (2020) by feifan on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @04:17PM (#26158907)
You might be right on the first part, but I'm young and optimistic enough to reject the second part.
Re:Computers Aren't Fun Anymore (2020) by number6 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @04:25PM (#26158992)
Effortless? I am not that optimistic. Don't get me wrong. I love programming but it's not effortless. The best problems are the hard one: https://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png
Re:Computers Aren't Fun Anymore (2020) by feifan on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @04:28PM (#26159023)
I could've been more clear: the "using the computer" part (what you might call incidental/accidental complexity) should be effortless. The problem itself can be as challenging as you'd like to tackle :)
Re:Computers Aren't Fun Anymore (2020) by number6 on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @04:35PM (#26159083)
I can totally understand your grievance with all the loops you have to jump through to get JS running. I can get an okayish webapp running with the Django Stack in about two hours; when I use JS it takes me hours just to configure webpack. I just use intercooler or htmx nowadays and ditched React and Vue. The customers don't care if they use a SPA or a traditional one. They just want their logo in the corner. They even don't care about the round trip to the server when doing input validation as long as the input is still there after validating it and a meaningful error message is there. But still - there is a lot of boilerplate for CRUD Apps and views. Maybe RoR does this part better...