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Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by qeternity on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:37PM (#26148498)
> For the past 10 years you could have kept your money in a savings account or Bitcoin.

The classic false dichotomy by people peddling crypto. Nobody is keeping their money in a savings account. There are productive investments that aren't crypto.

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by solosoyokaze on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:39PM (#26148531)
What asset class has returned value like crypto for the past 10 years? None.
Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by qeternity on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:44PM (#26148586)
Ok, is Bitcoin a super speculative investment, or a savings account? Now you're just moving goal posts.

Ironically, crypto's returns are all due to Tether...which is purely inflationary printing. USDT is what you'd get with the USD if the Fed were run by actual criminals.

Let's chat in a year.

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by solosoyokaze on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:46PM (#26148607)
It's not that it's a speculative investment, it's that the dollar is continuously plunging in value and taking everything tied to it down too.

BTC (and several other cryptos) are the only safe place to store money in the long term.

> Let's chat in a year.

Indeed. No one who's bet against crypto has come out looking prescient.

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by jboog on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:39AM (#26181050)
This is an asinine argument.

The risk profile of Crypto vs an index fund is exponentially worse.

What you should care about is what asset provides you the best return with the lowest risk.

At any time in history you can look back at the past ten years and say "Clearly X stock was the best choice for investors and you're foolish to claim otherwise!"

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by throwaway829 on Monday February 15, 2021 @10:53PM (#26150731)
I’m pro crypto but this statement could of been made during the tulip mania. I think the better argument is being free from central bank devaluation of hard earned savings.
Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by adriancr on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:53PM (#26148690)
Stock market... derivatives...
Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by solosoyokaze on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:00PM (#26148761)
Not even close.
Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by qeternity on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:40PM (#26149179)
Just curious, what flavor koolaid do you prefer?
Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by solosoyokaze on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:51PM (#26149267)
Not sure I understand your question. You can compare BTC to the S&P 500 yourself to see which has offered a far better return over the past decade.
Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by adriancr on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @03:04AM (#26151886)
one example: 500$ to 1M in 1 year on tesla calls.

50k to 15M in GME calls in less then 1 month if you were lucky.

It's all gambling but to say bitcoin is the best source of wealth/gambling shows your lack of experience.

Where would you put your money now that bitcoin is 50k?

I want to compare that to my stock + calls on random meme stocks. (also vs s&p)

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by solosoyokaze on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @09:34AM (#26154173)
Ridiculous examples. BTC has been consistently up for a decade (or USD has been plummeting that long, depends how you look at it).

> Where would you put your money now that bitcoin is 50k?

BTC of course. USD is only going to continue to drop.

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by adriancr on Tuesday February 16, 2021 @05:49PM (#26159797)
Let me give you an example:

I invested a nice sum of money in November 2019.

Option 1: BTC from 9300 to 48000 means 5x

Option 2: TSLA from 62 (pre-split) to 796 means 12x. (much much more via calls)

Which do you think I went for? Which strategy do you think will continue to make reliable money in the future?

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by solosoyokaze on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @10:06AM (#26167076)
You're cherry picking a single point in time that happens to work with one stock (one might also argue the move to electric vehicles is actually a world changing event ala bitcoin).

What about November 2018 or November 2017? Like I said, Bitcoin has consistently been up in the long term for the past decade.

Re:Mining Bitcoin with pencil and paper: 0.67 hashes per day... by jboog on Thursday February 18, 2021 @10:41AM (#26181091)
"You're cherry picking a single point in time that happens to work with one stock"

SO you mean EXACTLY what you're doing with BTC?

I swear the BTC cult rivals the Qanon crazies in cognitive dissonance.