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Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by anigbrowl on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:10PM (#26147453)
The unstated implication here is that ethicists either don't comment comment on such things (and are therefore hypocrites) or that their critique is so broad as to subsume all utility (and is therefore excessive).

Rather than throw up hypotheticals which this ethicist is probably not around to refute, I think it's be better to look at the person's body of work in this area and if you think they have some sort of intellectual blindspot or bias, point out how you think that might detract from their analysis.

https://alex-hanna.com/?p=publications

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by SpicyLemonZest on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:45PM (#26147878)
Well, none of the publication titles on this page contain the word "surveillance". I was able to find an interview (https://medium.com/ethics-models/interview-with-dr-alex-hann...) where she says we're "embedded in a system of racial surveillance capitalism", but doesn't really discuss it or mention any specific times when bad AI caused people to be wrongly surveilled. If you know of any specific explanation that she's provided, I'd be interested to read it.

But the most likely explanation IMO is that Hanna isn't using the term "surveillance" as a pointer to any concrete idea about what will go wrong. It seems to be just an all-purpose explanation for why AI models need to respect her sensibilities.

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by djoldman on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:17PM (#26147550)
I didn't mean to imply anything other than what I wrote.

I actually mean to ask the exact question: How does one distinguish between software that can be used for surveillance and software that cannot?

To be more specific, if an ethicist objects to the publication of software that can be used for surveillance, they are assuming that the software can be used for surveillance. How did they arrive at that conclusion?

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by anigbrowl on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:28PM (#26147693)
If you're so curious, I suggest you do what I did and read more of their public statements and writings to satisfy your curiosity.
Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by djoldman on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:46PM (#26147892)
Thanks for your suggestion.

Of the 16 linked papers/book-chapters a few were not freely accessible.

Of the ones that were accessible, 3 contain the string "surveil" in the body and 1 contains it in the bibliography. None of the references were helpful unfortunately.

Do you have any other links that may answer the question?

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by anigbrowl on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:10PM (#26148877)
I'm not here to spoon feed you.