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Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by whatshisface on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:08PM (#26147417)
Without making any kind of statement of whether I agree with this ethical framework, I think it's pretty straightforward to assign more or less blame depending on the specialization of the technology for the purpose of doing something evil. In an ethical framework where manufacturers could be culpable for the uses of their products, iron refiners would have specks of micro-sins on the 0.001% level, whereas torture rack manufacturers would be about as guilty as torture rack users.

The result that most of technological society would have a small amount of ambient guilt is not entirely absurd; the idea that industry is not sharply, but diffusely and slightly evil is common in fiction and many people's intuition.

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by djoldman on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:33PM (#26147737)
In US society/laws, it seems that the vast majority of blame is ascribed to the entity who last causes an event to occur. So the blame in the following sequence:

1. Miner mines iron

2. Manufacturer makes knife

3. Retailer sells knife to person A

4. Person A kills person B with the knife

I think most people living in the US would be ok with the general idea that person A should be held responsible for killing person B, and not miner/manufacturer/retailer. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Would you consider the knife retailer equivalent to the torture rack manufacture in your example?

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by yesenadam on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:48PM (#26147914)
> Would you consider the knife retailer equivalent to the torture rack manufacture in your example?

Not GP, but doesn't

>> I think it's pretty straightforward to assign more or less blame depending on the specialization of the technology for the purpose of doing something evil

answer your question?

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by djoldman on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:05PM (#26148114)
I guess I'm saying that it doesn't seem so straightforward to me.

I think that "depending on the specialization of the technology for the purpose of doing something evil" merely shifts the question to multiple questions:

1. What does "specialization of the technology" mean?

2. Can technologies have multiple specializations?

3. What does evil mean?

4. Even if we had a perfect translation between "specialization" and "evil," if a technology has multiple specializations, which controls? The most evil? Does this require us to predict which specializations are most likely to be used?

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by eeZah7Ux on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:53PM (#26147974)
Not so fast. Virtually everywhere there are concepts like "accessory to murder", "criminal organization" and many more.
Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by djoldman on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:10PM (#26148185)
Definitely. Also my example was fairly simplistic.

However, to my knowledge, neither of "accessory to murder" and "criminal organization" have been applied to the manufacturer of a legal-to-own object.

This comment is meant to make an analogy between the manufacturer of a legal-to-own object and the publishers of an ML algorithm.

Re:Who Should Stop Unethical A.I.? by refenestrator on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:58PM (#26148043)
In the non-technological society, by contrast, you've got 30% childbirth mortality and a bunch of paralyzed polio survivors.