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Re:Why “Trusting the Science” Is Complicated by notsureaboutpg on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:39PM (#26139166)
>Let science do its thing - which is inform and educate. Let policies be made by those with more full understanding of the system into which changes need to be effected.

But what about when scientists collaborate with the policy-makers to shape public perception about how to inform and educate people?

One prime example is last years long and detailed study on how there was no "gay gene". In effect, homosexual activity and inclinations could not be shown to be the result of any specific gene expression after many trials and searches for such.

The scientists, worried about how this result would look to the public, worked with LGBTQ advocacy groups to shape how the paper would be released to the media and explained to the public[1].

Now, a sizable portion in HN's demographic will feel this is all well and good, but how far should this go? The uncomfortable truth here is that people are not "born gay" as we have been told so often. And that has been a very important talking point in the past two decades when debating about gay rights. Many people were convinced to support gay rights for this reason alone (however we might feel about that, it's true). They very well may feel duped by scientists and no longer "trust the science". How far should scientists go to shield the public from uncomfortable truths? And how much will the public continue to trust them when such veiling of the truth is made known to them?

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02585-6

Re:Why “Trusting the Science” Is Complicated by myrion on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:30AM (#26140885)
The problem I have with your comment is likely the reason the scientists were worried about how best to communicate their results:

"sexual orientation is not the expression of any one gene" is not the same as "people are not born gay".

It may be a complex genetic interaction or it may be some other effect at play, but whatever it is, it doesn't contradict that people don't choose their sexual orientation.

Since people have justified all sorts of atrocities based on the misconception that being queer is a choice for people that they could just not make, I can understand scientists who want to make sure their research doesn't fuel that again.

Re:Why “Trusting the Science” Is Complicated by epgui on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:51AM (#26140209)
While you appear to suggest that reference [1] is a bad thing, or even a slippery slope, there's not really any indication that these consultations had an adverse impact on the quality of the results.

Communication is an incredibly tricky thing. Even when the science is sound, shortsighted approaches at communication can have serious repercussions, even potentially causing deaths (think public health guidance being misinterpreted, misunderstood, or decontextualized, for example).

Being conscious of this doesn't dilute the truth of the message, and being respectful/mindful of others doesn't mean we need to compromise on the science either.

For clarity: this is not a response to any part of your comment other than the reference to the nature article.

Re:Why “Trusting the Science” Is Complicated by sriku on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:45AM (#26139836)
> But what about when scientists collaborate with the policy-makers to shape public perception about how to inform and educate people?

That isn't a problem with science. It is politics .. as @AnthonyMouse noted.

Re:Why “Trusting the Science” Is Complicated by Ambolia on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:01AM (#26140678)
It's generally cheaper to buy a scientist than to buy a politician.