>No need for you to preach to the choir about not trusting the Chinese government. As can be seen in the thread,

Great expression! I have the same strange feeling but couldn't put in correct words. Other than the topic of this thread, there's a meta topic which reflects some interesting human natures showing up more often among politicians and lawyers: Spread bias opinions without being caught misleading, disguise subjective speculations under objective delicately organized articulation.

Being constructive in discussion is extremely difficult. Sometime I watch the debate with fun on meta topics other than topics.