“ I am not "anti-vax" -- but this shit is unprecedented.”

I’d suggest you hit up Wikipedia and learn about medical history. The smallpox (eradicated worldwide) and polio (eradicated in all but a couple countries) vaccine pages might help you learn that a worldwide vaccination campaign to stop a dangerous disease isn’t unprecedented.

“ I said NO - she can have ONE shot per week. After every vax, she was lathargic for the next few days.”

So you made her lethargic for 6 times a few days instead of a few days for just one time. Congrats on that?

The people who follow the recommended vaccine schedule don’t have any problems, according to scientific studies. Your concerns appear to be based on FUD you read on the internet or imagined yourself.

would you deploy six patches at once to all your production servers with no idea what the outcome will be and you have no idea what's in those patches other than their name when you already had a two week outage caused by a previous attempt at doing such?

If those patches has been deployed before for decades on millions of servers? Yes, of course.

I have no idea what the outage is supposed to be on your example, a bad reaction?

The point is that vaccines are more blindly accepted than they should be. We tech people are way more cautious with patches on full production systems.

The outage analogy is that assume you were patching your systems (all of them) against, say Duqu, and you blindly deploy the Duqu patch to your "millions" of servers, and instead - you INSTALLED Duqu to said servers. That is bad.

The "outage" (clearly you didnt read my post) - We went to Chicago to go to the zoo for a week. Prior my Daughter got the chicken pox vaccine. The first night in Chicago, she actually got the pox from the vaccine. and it ruined the vacation and we had to stay an extra week, basically in the hotel until she was clear to fly. That was an extended 'outage' to our vacation...

Clear?

> The people who follow the recommended vaccine schedule don’t have any problems, according to scientific studies.

Can you please provide some of the studies? Primarily I want to actually do some research and I want to know what the evidence is that it is safe.

I no longer trust authority's scientific claims as this article and several other revelations seem to indicate I shouldn't.

Why would you ask for studies only to assert you don't trust them?

I want to review the studies because I don't trust the claims of media or other authorities, not because I don't trust studies.

That said, I do intend to be critical of the studies as well--anyone should be. I want to review replication, funding, methodology, etc...

I'd like to know what the actual evidence is for long term safety of the current recommended vaccine schedule.

At this point in medical history, with the number of people that didn't know they were participating in an ad-hoc longitudinal study over decades of how well or dangerous the accepted standard inoculation schedule is, I get the feeling you're couching close to conspiratorial thinking as "healthy skepticism".

The vaccines themselves and vaccine scheduling change over time. How would we know if something harmful was introduced?

Unless of course as you state we are unwittingly participating in ad-hoc longitudinal studies.

There are any number of `modern` diseases with seemingly unknown causes. It's not a stretch to be skeptical of the safety of modern medicine in general.

>"I’d suggest you hit up Wikipedia and learn about medical history"

My brother is the director of the VA for the state of Alaska, was commander of the 10th medical wing USAF, personal flight surgeon to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the pentagon, among many other accolades. (Colonel Timothy Dean Ballard)

My grandmother was a surgical nurse in san jose and los gatos for 50 years and did medical malpractice consultation for 20 years.

My Aunt is the NICU lead at El Camino.

My step-grandfather was a top cardiologist (and mayor) for Saratoga. FL Stutzman

I was the technical designer/Implementation/TPM for El Camino Hospital, Good Samaritan, SF General, Nome Alaska Hospital and rebuilt Fred Hutchinson Cancer research center in Seattle as well Swedish and Virginia Mason (my first three hospital jobs when I was 20)... and many others...

I know a lot about medicine. I am speaking as a parent - not denying fn vax. I am saying that KIDS (TODDLERS) don't need that much shit pumped in them all at once.

>My brother is the director of the VA for the state of Alaska, was commander of the 10th medical wing USAF, personal flight surgeon to the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the pentagon, among many other accolades. (Colonel Timothy Dean Ballard)

>My grandmother was a surgical nurse in san jose and los gatos for 50 years and did medical malpractice consultation for 20 years.

>My Aunt is the NICU lead at El Camino.

>My step-grandfather was a top cardiologist (and mayor) for Saratoga. FL Stutzman

I think all of that's irrelevant unless they agree with your conclusion. As someone related to psychologists, I can attest that being related to people in a field doesn't necessarily result in you being well-versed in their field. Source: It's basic psychology, and if you disagree then you'd agree I know a fair bit about that.

OK Frasier...

I'm not really understanding what relevance one child having a rare reaction to the varicella vaccine has to do with your decision to extend the duration of the normal side effects of other vaccinations on your other child, and not sure how either of those things related to your claim about Big Vax Baba Yaga.

Stringing together a series of non-sequiturs is not the same thing as constructing an argument.

It was due to how lathargic they would be for days. I am not really understanding why you think SIX vaccines into a 20 pound body seems OK?

Do you have kids and did you give them six vaccines all at once?

What the heck does that not make sense to people for?

It makes the kid miserable.

And if you have one of your kids get chicken pox from the vaccine during a family vacation to go to the chicago zoo, which she couldnt do and we had to stay in chicago another week - so yeah, fuck risking it.

Maybe my kids were extra sensitive - but would you deploy six patches at once to all your production servers with no idea what the outcome will be and you have no idea what's in those patches other than their name when you already had a two week outage caused by a previous attempt at doing such?

> I am not really understanding why you think SIX vaccines into a 20 pound body seems OK?

Because body weight and number of vaccines don't really have any relationship?

> Do you have kids and did you give them six vaccines all at once?

I have two relatively young kids, I don't think they've ever been recommended for more than four at a time, but I could misremember, the numbers never been a big deal. I've never had them given less than what our pediatrician recommended. The CDC schedule has some ranges in it so I see you could possibly end up with six at once.

Haven't observed any relationship between number of vaccines and side effects, either. The times they've gotten one have been pretty much the same as the times they’ve has a bunch.

> It makes the kid miserable.

I'm not aware of any evidence that more vaccines at once does that; I am aware of evidence that spreading them out over a succession of weeks extends the length of time that they are likely to experience side effects.

> And if you have one of your kids get chicken pox from the vaccine during a family vacation to go to the chicago zoo, which she couldnt do and we had to stay in chicago another week - so yeah, fuck risking it.

I'm not sure how you think that very rare side effect (varicella vaccine produces chickenpox in about 2% of cases, but even in the vast majority of them it's extremely minor with a few pox, nothing like what you describe) of a single vaccine has anything to do with your belief in a higher risk from giving multiple vaccines at one time rather than spread out 1/week. That makes no sense at all.

> Maybe my kids were extra sensitive - but would you deploy six patches at once to all your production servers with no idea what the outcome will be

I wouldn't apply any patches to a server with no idea what the outcome will be, but that's not analogous to the case with vaccines, anyway. The only reason I might spread out different batches is to make placing blame for any unexpected problems easier, but even that is only a benefit because patches can be backed out. Your analogy is deeply flawed.

> when you already had a two week outage caused by a previous attempt at doing such?

But even by your own account, the “outage” wasn't caused by the practice you were later avoiding, which simply magnified the impact of common side effects without doing anything to mitigate the risk of serious, rare ones.

Why do you think "Big Vaccine" is conspiring to give your baby shots all at once instead of spaced out? They get paid either way and doctors probably get paid more if you space out.

Why do you think being lethargic 6 times in a row is better than once?

2% of chicken pox vaccinationa cause a mild case. That's unfortunate, and probably shouldn't get the shot during a travel month, but it's better than catching a full case at an unexpected time, isn't it?

Your post claims you are not anti-vax and all it states is how anti-vaccine you are.

Reading comprehension: I said I am not anti BAC, but I’m not going to let them put 6 vaccines in my daughters 20 pound body all at once

> Reading comprehension: I said I am not anti BAC,

No, you did not.

Yes, reading comprehension is important. You said, literally quoted:

"I am not "anti-vax" -- but this shit is unprecedented."