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Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by alisonatwork on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:08PM (#26126325)
I find this a really fascinating instance of micro-propaganda. CCP could evoke associations with "CCCP", but CPC might remind Americans of the Congressional Progressive Caucus or Canadians of the Conservative Party of Canada. It could be that neither acronym is especially neutral, not after surfacing the accusation that using one is implicitly biased. I have to admit to having used both acronyms in the past, but it was never for any malicious reason, it was just to try create continuity with other people in the discussion.

The funny thing is that people in China use neither of these acronyms, they just refer to "the government" or "the party". This is probably the safest terminology to avoid being seen as biased one way or the other.

What's so interesting to me, is that even your choice of a three letter acronym, which literally means the exact same thing just with a different word order, is considered to be taking a side. It goes to show just how fraught conversation on China has become that it's even considered important.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by elif on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:15PM (#26126389)
It is not "my choice" of a three letter acronym.

It is the party's choice for its English language representation.

I'm not making any political statements here. I am suggesting that we use common nomenclature while pointing out a hazard of a specific instance of dated terminology.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by alisonatwork on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:04PM (#26126900)
I think you misunderstood my usage of "your choice". I was using it as an indefinite pronoun, i.e. "one's choice".

My point was that turning one's choice of synonymous terminology into a marker of political bias is itself an interesting comment on how difficult it is for people to engage in curious discussion about China. Given that at HN we are expected to assume good faith, I think it's fair to assume that most people who use CCP (or CPC) are not deliberately trying to take a side, they are just using a convenient acronym.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by elif on Saturday February 13, 2021 @05:00PM (#26127376)
Consider that the scope of discussion here is that a WHO scientist received a summary of 174 covid cases rather than a full version of the data, and himself "couldn't comment. Whether it's political or time or it's difficult... But whether there are any other reasons why the data isn't available, I don't know. One would only speculate."

Yet the comment I sacrificed Karma to inform of "potentially unconscious bias of language" was willing to offer nothing more than postulation that a political party is responsible for "hiding the data", and the repetition of the CCP identification.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by mr_toad on Saturday February 13, 2021 @07:46PM (#26128575)
> It is the party's choice for its English language representation.

Maybe you should have led with that?

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by hartator on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:43PM (#26126671)
> It is the party's choice for its English language representation.

Maybe OP disagrees on the party authority to define language including naming itself.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by willis936 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:44PM (#26126124)
It isn’t a promotion of neutral discourse. The party didn’t change, why would the name?
Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by elif on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:52PM (#26126185)
So calling things by their preferred name is not neutral?

This is like making a statement about the demonrats and expecting to be taken seriously.

It has the intellectual power of intentionally misgendering someone as a means of insulting them.

There is a reason that neoconservatives like Mike Pompeo are revitalizing your preferred acronym.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by willis936 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:09PM (#26126339)
The fundamental reason that names are considered important right now is because they are tied to expressed identity. Has the CCP’s expressed identity changed?

Recall when BP changed their logo last: months after a horrible oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The singular reason why BP changed their logo was an attempt to trick the public. It wasn’t a changing of identity. Changing the CCP’s name when they haven’t even done it themselves would be the same kind of disingenuousness.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by elif on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:46PM (#26126720)
I am not debating how the governance of china has changed since 1990. There are plenty of cases to be made there, but not mine. I am making a linguistic position.
Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by garrettgrimsley on Saturday February 13, 2021 @02:55PM (#26126209)
“commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday February 13, 2021 @10:43PM (#26129463)
It should actually be CPC (communist party of China), but the acronym in English has become CCP.
Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by elif on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:10PM (#26126345)
being "commonly used" is not the same thing as being the "correct uncharged verbiage."

For an example, there are many similarly charged terms "commonly used" to identify geographic areas surrounding Israel, but in modern discourse we use "Occupied Palestinian Territory" since 1999.

Re:US raises ‘deep concerns’ over WHO report on Covid’s Wuha... by renewiltord on Saturday February 13, 2021 @03:40PM (#26126648)
Yeah, "correct uncharged verbiage" is not the same as "the name that someone wants themselves called". So, I'm not going to call North Korea "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" because despite their preference for being called Democratic, they are not.

North Korea remains North Korea. CCP remains CCP. Blackwater remains Blackwater, not Akademi or Xe or whatever bloody thing they're called now. I'm not going to just go along with whatever rebranding their PR agency told them to do.