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Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by toyg on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:18AM (#26115231)
Yeah, I wouldn't put down Ubuntu's traditional attitude as "we'll copy something so we can own it" - it's more of a "we'll do whatever we think is better for the experience we provide, screw the community". Which is still misguided and fundamentally doomed to fail in the long run, but not as malicious as, say, Apple's moves.

At the end of the day the scorecard reads:

- Mir: failed

- Unity: failed

- Snap: mostly failing

Meanwhile RedHat takes over stuff that doesn't work, makes it work a bit better, and pushes it on the whole ecosystem as "the" solution. And they win, and win, and win.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by O_H_E on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:15PM (#26115935)
> - Snap: mostly failing

As much as I hate Snap and remove it from my Kubuntu systems, I don't see where it is failing. I frankly see a lot more non-linux-focused vendors support to snap than flatpak. Could you expand on that point?

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by toyg on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:44AM (#26123035)
It took years to get any sort of buy-in from app-developers, and I know quite a few users who are actively running from it. Just last week I helped a friend who was surprised and somewhat disgusted by the fact that certbot seems to have embraced it.

It’s not a question of which one will succeed between snap and flatpak, it’s whether the ecosystem really needs either one of those.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by merb on Friday February 12, 2021 @02:08PM (#26117289)
> Unity: failed

unity failed because they abadoned it, but it was way better than wayland+gnome. the problem was that it was based on gnome2 and had mir under its belt, so it would've been really really hard to somehow upgrade it

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by bregma on Friday February 12, 2021 @02:06PM (#26117257)
Mir is still going as one of the better Wayland compositors out there.

Unity didn't fail: ongoing development on it was cancelled because there was no way to successfully monetize it. It was, and remains, one of the most successful desktops out there.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by toyg on Saturday February 13, 2021 @04:06PM (#26126920)
Everybody knows how the FOSS ecosystem works: if you don’t get buy-in from the community, a project dies. Unity wasn’t adopted by the community, and as soon as sugar-daddy money ran out, it died. That’s what failure looks like on the Linux desktop.
Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by bregma on Sunday February 14, 2021 @04:12PM (#26136303)
Unity had fantastic buy-in from the community. There were more installations of Unity 7 than there were of Gnome 3 or KDE 4 back when it was still being distributed.

If your definition of community is "people who develop desktop environments for open source software" then you're already limiting the size of your community to a few dozen or so individuals, and we had a few dozen contributors to Unity so I'm not convinced of the strength of this argument.

If your definition of community is "people who don't use Unity" then of course "everybody knows" that's trivially true. Some people also know it's a tautology.

Re:“I saw that you spun up an Ubuntu image in Azure” by pabs3 on Saturday February 13, 2021 @11:47PM (#26129776)
Unity is still around, it was forked by the community and renamed to Lomiri:

https://ubports.com/