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Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by jcranmer on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:19PM (#26110695)
Don't forget the rise of the Carolingian dynasty is driven in part by their wars against the Muslims.
Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by edgyquant on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:13AM (#26110953)
Not only is Charles Martel (and to a lesser extent, his father who seemed to be a nobody before taking over Francia) one of histories absolute badasses, but the Carolingian Renaissance basically created the Catholic Church as we know it (and as we think about it in history) and brought writing back to the mainstream in Europe which eventually allowed what we know as the Renaissance to even take off.

It’s a shame that outside of historical circles and the well read nobody knows who Charlemagne is, or they know he was a person but have no idea what he did. To me the “Dark Ages” are just as, if not more, fascinating that the Imperial era of Rome. I also do think that (Dark Ages) is a good term if applied a little earlier to right after the fall of Rome until the rise of Charlemagne.

Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by davidgay on Friday February 12, 2021 @03:34AM (#26111731)
> It’s a shame that outside of historical circles and the well read nobody knows who Charlemagne is

Except for all the French, and neighbouring French-speaking countries... (and probably other European countries, but I wasn't exposed to their education system).

Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by emteycz on Friday February 12, 2021 @03:56AM (#26111808)
I'm on the other side of Germany (Czechia) and everybody knows who Charlemagne is, it's basic education here, you learn it in 6th grade. It's not that positive figure here though, Czech people didn't submit willingly to his empire.
Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by edgyquant on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:14PM (#26115921)
Maybe it’s just an American thing, then.
Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by Bayart on Friday February 12, 2021 @11:54PM (#26121501)
>and to a lesser extent, his father who seemed to be a nobody before taking over Francia

Pepin of Heristal was the most powerful man of Austrasia, from one of the most powerful families in the Frankish world (descended from Rhenan Frankish royalty). His ancestry includes extremely prestigious bishops and lords.

There's nothing about him that screams "nobody".

Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by roelschroeven on Friday February 12, 2021 @08:18AM (#26113295)
Charlemagne (or Karel de Grote as we call him in Dutch) is a pretty big deal in our history. We've learned about him in primary school and again, somewhat more in depth, in secondary school.

Of course not everyone knows what he did. Most people aren't all that interested in history. You could say the same thing about most historical figures. As a quick guess Julius Caesar, Napoleon and Hitler are the most obvious of a pretty short list of counterexamples that are so well-known that almost everybody has at least some idea of what they did. Even that is going to be pretty limited: I suppose a lot of people here in Belgium are aware of Caesar because he came here to conquer, and provides the oldest written sources of our regions. But not a lot of people are aware of his role in the end of the Roman Republic.

Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by edgyquant on Friday February 12, 2021 @12:14PM (#26115927)
I’d also argue that, in America at least, most people don’t know much about Napoleon either other than he was some guy who existed and was French.
Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by BrandoElFollito on Friday February 12, 2021 @06:01PM (#26119570)
All children in France know Charlemagne for his beard and mustache, and the fact that this asshole invented the schools they have to sit in to learn about him.
Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by Karrot_Kream on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:21PM (#26110713)
Yup! The Muslims left a huge mark on everything in that time period.
Re:What you can learn about medieval Europe if you focus on ... by 29athrowaway on Saturday February 13, 2021 @06:29PM (#26128068)
They were the torchbearers of knowledge during that period of time. After the Siege of Baghdad and the Reconquista, that torch was passed to us.