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Re:How Fat Does a Fat Binary Need to Be? by heavyset_go on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:44PM (#26105488)
> And it ended last November, when Apple announced Macs would switch to ARM.

This is revisionism. It ended with the smartphone and netbook era, both of which put more ARM devices in homes than Macs ever will.

Re:How Fat Does a Fat Binary Need to Be? by comex on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:58PM (#26105654)
Well. I haven't heard of ARM netbooks being a big thing. But yes, smartphones and other non-desktop-operating-system devices have been ARM for a long time. And other architectures still show up on other embedded devices, like MIPS on routers.

By "everything that mattered" I guess I should have said "everything that mattered that you have a shell on".

For some of those non-desktop-operating-system devices, getting a shell is impossible without bypassing lockdown measures. For others, it's possible, but not particularly common as far as I know, for a variety of reasons. They tend to run stripped-down OSes; they don't have great keyboards; they were pretty slow compared to desktops until recently.

Yes, this is a huge overgeneralization. Plenty of people do run shells on their phones or routers. But I do believe that a major desktop platform switching to ARM is qualitatively different from what we'd seen before.

Re:How Fat Does a Fat Binary Need to Be? by LordDragonfang on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:51PM (#26106241)
Many chromebooks are on ARM, and chromebooks all have the native ability to run a true linux shell at this point, and have for several years now.
Re:How Fat Does a Fat Binary Need to Be? by greyandgreen on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:33PM (#26106732)
I know a guy who long ago gave up MacBooks for Chromebooks for development. He programs the systems that keep HVAC/large refrigeration systems running. He buys a new machine every year and his company pays for it. Cheap. His last Chromebook had 8 GB RAM and his current one 16. For all intents and purposes, it's faster than any Mac or PC that you would use for programming and the horsepower needed is on a remote server. He can never lose any code or other project notes, photos, since they, too, live in the cloud. Not for everyone, obviously.
Re:How Fat Does a Fat Binary Need to Be? by LordDragonfang on Sunday February 14, 2021 @03:19AM (#26130559)
Oh, yeah, I have a chromebook with 8 GB of ram. It's a good dev machine.
Re:How Fat Does a Fat Binary Need to Be? by minikites on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:52PM (#26105572)
I thought most "netbooks" had Intel Atom processors?
Re:How Fat Does a Fat Binary Need to Be? by velosol on Thursday February 11, 2021 @07:51PM (#26109590)
I agree. It might depend on where you start the 'netbook' definition and how you count 'most'.

The EeePC was x86, the Chromebook Pixel was x86 along with many that followed with balance being ARM variants.

More recently you have convertibles/ultrabooks and their stripped down cousins (e.g. Microsoft Surface Pro vs. Surface 3/Go/Go 2 and Surface 2, Surface RT, and Surface Pro X the latter 3 being ARM).

Ultimately the netbook niche has been squeeze by ultrabooks and tablets to few offerings if anyone is even bothering to market computers that way anymore.