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Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by mrb on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @01:50PM (#26093190)
«a single Bitcoin transaction consumes 165kWh»

This needs to be repeated in every HN thread about Bitcoin: no, transactions don't consume energy. The proof-of-work is completely independent of the number of transactions. A block could have 1 or 1000 transactions, but the energy consumption would be the same.

People have this wrong idea that more transactions imply more energy consumption. That's just not true.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:35PM (#26097595)
> A block could have 1 or 1000 transactions, but the energy consumption would be the same.

The calculations are based on the maximum throughput of the Bitcoin protocol, which is a fixed value due to the 10-minute block time and the limited block size.

The average number of transactions per block is always around 2K: https://www.blockchain.com/charts/n-transactions-per-block

> The proof-of-work is completely independent of the number of transactions.

Right, which makes this whole thing even more ridiculous. If number of transactions went to zero we'd still have to burn 120+ TWh per year just to keep the system going.

The 165kWh per transaction calculation is the best case scenario assuming every block is filled to the maximum with transactions.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by r3ctilinear on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @10:02PM (#26097783)
Incorrect. The proof of work difficulty scales automatically. If the miners/hash-power reduces then blocks become easier to mine.

The Bitcoin blockchain could subsist on a minuscule fraction of todays energy usage if the majority of miners decided to throw away their investments and stop mining.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by boublepop on Thursday February 11, 2021 @11:23AM (#26103398)
Is this a joke? Yes, bitcoin could function without using any energy at all if there where no transactions and no miners. That doesn’t change that currently independent of transaction numbers a huge amount of energy is being wasted, and the minimal waste per transaction in a theoretical maximum transactions/energy scenario would still have you spending more than our entire energy production just heating up silicon if we relied entirely on Bitcoin for financial transactions.
Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by uh-quan on Thursday February 11, 2021 @02:01PM (#26105683)
Energy isn't being wasted, that's the point. What proof of work and the blockchain allows is a monetary network that (a) does not rely on trusted third parties for verification, whose (b) unit of currency does not rely on states or central banks, which cannot be trusted to avoid inflation.

Whatever else you may think of those features, it's a bit weird to call it pure waste when clearly millions of people find this incredibly valuable.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by Kbelicius on Thursday February 11, 2021 @05:33AM (#26100086)
But it would not be possible for it to maintain its price and usefulness at that minuscule fraction of todays energy usage.
Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by ctz on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:13PM (#26094898)
> The proof-of-work is completely independent of the number of transactions. A block could have 1 or 1000 transactions, but the energy consumption would be the same.

There's a block limit, though, right? It doesn't scale up infinitely -- you might have 1000 transactions in a block, but not a million. Therefore, it is accurate to attribute the energy per block to securing the transactions within.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by rodiger on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @05:35PM (#26095750)
Also worth noting though that "extra" energy per-tx increases the security of that tx. You aren't just paying for the system to function, you're paying for the system to be resistant to bad actors.
Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:36PM (#26097603)
Only so far as the majority of the miners are not coordinated.

With the current concentration of mining capacity in China, that's not exactly a sure thing any more.

Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by shawnz on Thursday February 11, 2021 @03:04AM (#26099311)
The point is that the energy they are spending on mining disincentivizes them from doing anything except using it to earn Bitcoins legitimately. If they waste that energy attacking the network instead, it would be less profitable.
Re:Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index by ric2b on Monday February 15, 2021 @08:55AM (#26142753)
Yes, but the limit is chosen to keep a balance between scale and decentralization (keeping the cost of running nodes low).

It can be safely increased over time as bandwidth, storage and processing costs go down.

For now there's still a lot of viable efficiency enhancements to be implemented/adopted so increasing the limit isn't strictly necessary.