Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by pantalaimon on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:18AM
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The problem with the meat industry is less the killing of the animals than the lifetime of suffering they have to endure before.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by whowe1 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @11:36AM
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Haha. It's cool that you think that.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by nefitty on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @02:45AM
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Animals don’t “contribute”. That implies some act of conscious sacrifice on the part of the animal.
Those two paradigms can be boiled down to “Animals are pretty objects that I can kill and eat if I so desire.” It’s the polar opposite of reverence.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by wombatmobile on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @02:55AM
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You can boil paradigms down into whatever you like.
What you say I think and feel is not an accurate representation of what I think and feel. It is an indication of what you think and feel.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by nefitty on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:06AM
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If that’s your response then what’s the point of trying to rationalize your meat eating? If you like meat that comes from animals that are unnecessarily killed then that’s your prerogative, but don’t try to dress it up in spiritual terms like “reverence”.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by SunlightEdge on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:38AM
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Most people eat meat because they like the taste. It's way less ethical than scientific research into the visual systems of turtles.
And the majority of animal research is on pre-clinical treatments for human diseases.
I've always been amazed at how animal rights activists target scientists over the animal farming industry.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by PretzelPirate on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:23AM
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Animal rights activists regularly target both. They even go as far as doing sit ins in slaughter facilities to show how gruesome and cruel they are to the animals.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by SunlightEdge on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @02:13PM
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I don't think it's proportional. There should be way more on the animal farming industry and way less on scientific research. But that's just my opinion.
Re:Turtle visual cortex is non-retinotopic
by rhn_mk1 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @03:45AM
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Not quite. Nowhere in those paradigms is the "pretty objects" part implied. But it does put some version of "I'm hungry" as passing the "wanton" threshold for killing something "awesome".
Which in my opinion is the real weakness of this proposal. You won't find me destroying something I consider awesome unless I'm actually starving.
Paradigm 1. Animals are awesome. Wanton killing is wrong.
Paradigm 2. Killing animals for food is OK provided the animal is killed humanely, the food is not wasted, and the animal is revered for its contribution.
Most people are able to do this. Some of them get lazy with the part about reverence, because the supermarket puts animals and the life cycle process out of sight and out of mind, hence there are few triggers for reverence.
Similarly, it is possible to use animals for scientific research and to value and respect animals. It requires the holding of two paradigms simultaneously. These paradigms are more difficult to state than in the case of carnivorous food above.