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Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by peruvian on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:07PM (#26085027)
If the royalty went away and the UK took possession of its lands, castles, and holdings, it could make a killing off tourism to those private or semi-private residences. Other European countries that are no longer monarchies do this just fine.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by kochikame on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @01:52AM (#26086308)
This is the point that people who say "but what about tourism?" completely and spectacularly miss.

Versailles is one of the most visited places in the world. Having no royal people in there makes zero difference to that.

We could have the tourism without the actual royals, 100% no problem there

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by jiofih on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @03:30AM (#26086787)
Actually it does - the experience of visiting Versailles, a sort of preserved museum that exist solely for tourism, is entirely different from visiting an actual royal palace. Despite the historical significance it was one of the least memorable places I’ve been to in France.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by FriskyAlter on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:47AM (#26087272)
Yeah, for one, you can actually enter the palace and not stay outside. The numbers of visitors in versailles absolutely dwarfs british palaces. I'm talking 'more visitors[0] than the british top 10 combined[1]'. And the fee to enter is not cheap. 20€.

[0]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/991925/visitors-palace-o...

[1]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/373081/uk-royal-tourism-...

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by tweetle_beetle on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:49AM (#26087287)
I think you've just proved the comment you are replying to correct though. You were still interested enough to visit knowing that it exists solely for tourism in advance, and presumably only came to your conclusion afterwards.

These are not the sorts of places that people typically visit on overseas holidays more than once. So once the ticket has been bought, whether or not it is "an actual royal palace" is irrelevant.

Of course people like to feel the glamour of being close to the mystique of living wealth, but once an attraction is firmly on the circuit it hardly matters. See Tower of London, Blenheim Palace, Edinburgh Castle, Hampton Court Palace, etc.

According to Association of Leading Visitor Attractions, Buckingham Palace would be around the 70th most visited attraction in the country, hardly a sign that you need a living monarchy to sustain tourism - https://www.alva.org.uk/details.cfm?p=423

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by jiofih on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @10:59AM (#26090902)
I did not write this as a defense of keeping the monarchy around just for the curiosity value, or from the raking-in-cash angle, just highlighting that the experience is quite different for visitors.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by afarrell on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @03:30AM (#26086784)
That is because:

1. Versailles has a boatload of art in it and is massive.

2. Some rather dramatic things happened there.

Buckingham palace has plenty of art, but so does the V&A Museum.

And you can't re-create the historical drama and preserve stability.

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by stqism on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @12:00AM (#26085885)
A lot of this land and property is privately owned by the royal family but leased to the government, I’m not exactly versed in UK law; but a governmental attempt to seize a private citizens land seems like it wouldn’t be the smoothest thing to attempt to pull off.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by joubert on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @01:00AM (#26086109)
The Crown Estate is not the private property of the monarch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

Also see, from https://www.royal.uk/royal-finances-0

> The Crown Estate as a whole dates back from the time of the Norman Conquest.

In 1760, George III reached an agreement with the Government over the Estate. The Crown Lands would be managed on behalf of the Government and the surplus revenue would go to the Treasury. In return, the King would receive a fixed annual payment, which was called the Civil List. With effect from 1 April 2012, the Civil List was incorporated into a new system of funding referred to as the Sovereign Grant.

The Crown Estate is not the personal property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold by the Monarch, nor do any profits from it go to the Sovereign.

The Crown Estate is managed by an independent organisation, headed by a Board, and any profit from the Estate is paid every year to the Treasury for the benefit of all UK taxpayers. The Treasury is effectively the principle Government stakeholder and is kept informed of the estate’s overall business plans and strategies.

The Estates portfolio has a value of over £7.3 billion, from beef farms in the north of Scotland to Portland stone mining in Dorset. Windsor Great Park is the only Royal Park managed by the Crown Estate. All other parks are administered by the Royal Parks Agency.

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by Reason077 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @03:32AM (#26086793)
> ”The Crown Estate is not the personal property of the Monarch. It cannot be sold by the Monarch”

Correct.

> “nor do any profits from it go to the Sovereign.”

Incorrect. Currently 25% of the Crown Estate’s profits are paid to the Monarch. This was raised from 15% in 2018, and is set to revert back to 15% in 2028.

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by colejohnson66 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @08:31AM (#26088760)
Why was it raised, but only temporarily?
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by Reason077 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @09:20AM (#26089451)
"The sovereign grant was increased in 2017, from its previous level of 15%, to pay for extensive renovations at Buckingham Palace which are likely to run until 2027."
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by joubert on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @11:25PM (#26098244)
And Buckingham is part of the Crown Estate, which is not the private property of the monarch.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by Reason077 on Thursday February 11, 2021 @01:33AM (#26098864)
No, Buckingham Palace and other “occupied” royal palaces are not part of the Crown Estate.

”The palace, like Windsor Castle, is owned by the reigning monarch in right of the Crown. Occupied royal palaces are not part of the Crown Estate, but nor are they the monarch's personal property, unlike Sandringham House and Balmoral Castle.”

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by joubert on Friday February 12, 2021 @02:47AM (#26111512)
Did some research; think I’ve figured it out. See whether this is correct.

Occupied palaces, like Buckingham Palace, are owned by the reigning monarch ‘in right of the Crown’ (like you pointed out).

Similarly, the Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch ‘in right of The Crown’.

“In right of The Crown” means it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne.

So, you are correct (and I was wrong) that Buckingham is not part of the Crown Estate.

Notwithstanding this technicality, would you agree that the overarching point remains that it isn’t as if “the money goes to the monarch for their personal enjoyment” (which is what I interpreted you implied), but towards Buckingham renovations, which is a property of The Crown[1] (i.e the state) and which in turn is embodied by the reigning monarch.

It sounds to me as if the monarch is like a custodian/shepherd of these assets for the benefit of the state (the crown).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crown

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by patmcc on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @12:35AM (#26086011)
I think you'll be surprised what a government can accomplish when it really tries.

Being able to make laws helps with that.

Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by colejohnson66 on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @08:36AM (#26088795)
Laws still have to respect the rights of the people, no? I’m not well versed in UK law, but the US, the legislature can’t just make a law making criticism of the government illegal because it’s a violation of our First Amendment right to free speech.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by salawat on Thursday February 11, 2021 @12:47AM (#26098639)
Mmmm. Tell that to all the lawmakers and Executives that made their careers by pulling off end runs around the 4th, 5th, and 2nd amendments.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by smoyer on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:54PM (#26085282)
What does a week at Buckingham palace cost on AirBnB?
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by smnrchrds on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @09:59PM (#26085300)
£350m
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by Uberphallus on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @04:01AM (#26086966)
Still not enough to offset the cost of brexit.
Re:The Queen has more power over British law than we thought by collyw on Wednesday February 10, 2021 @07:02AM (#26088117)
I think corona hysteria may have overshadowed Brexits effects on the British economy.