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Re:Pattern matching accepted for Python by spockz on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @04:44PM (#26082731)
That is why scala has scalafix[1] where library maintainers can provide rules along with newer versions of libraries that can be used to automatically, either at build time or out of band on the source, translate old constructs/patterns in the new.

See it as deferred refactoring for library maintainers. Library maintainers that work in a monorepo with their users get this refactoring feature for free.

[1]: https://scalacenter.github.io/scalafix

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Re:Pattern matching accepted for Python by lopatin on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @07:51PM (#26084556)
I have two thoughts on this: One is that tools like scalafix no-doubt rely heavily on static analysis to ensure correctness of their program transformations. I'm not sure a hypothetical "pythonfix" tool will be quite as feasible for untyped code bases.

And also, the issue isn't really with library maintainers when it comes to Python syntax changes. It's with all the user code written in Python. I tried converting my programs from Scala 2.12 from 2.13, and I failed so hard. I couldn't justify the time commitment, even with tools like scalafix to automate stuff. It's just not that smart.

All this is to say, let's not pretend that breaking changes to a programming language are ok. If you have to do break stuff once or twice in the lifetime of your language, fine. But accepting breaking changes as the status-quo is a failure of a language, by definition, IMO.

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Re:Pattern matching accepted for Python by properdine on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @08:49PM (#26084939)
lib2to3 exists and is used by tools to do this kind of automatic refactoring for python. The idea of having a migration path to the "blessed" way to do things is pretty neat!
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