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Re:Bilingualism makes the mind sharper (and helps forestall ... by ma2rten on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @02:36PM (#2603851)
Hmm, ...

English is not my native language, but I don't think I have problems applying the work the. So I find that hard to imagine. However, my native languages are Dutch and German, which are probably the closest two languages to English in terms grammar. So, that could be a possible explanation.

I read that children learn to pronounce the th sound quite late. And this is generally a give-away for of non-native speakers. Could it be that you are confusing this with that ?

Re:Bilingualism makes the mind sharper (and helps forestall ... by Jun8 on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @03:24PM (#2604041)
You're right, the "th* sound is the bane of non-native speakers (maybe an analogy would be the "ch" sound in German).

However, I was referring to the actual usage of the definite article, not its spelling. I think the problems here are of two different kinds:

Those who come from languages where there is no definite article (e.g. Chinese, Turkish) struggle to understand the correct usage. This is one of the most common glitches I hear from my Mandarin speaking colleagues (in addition to omitting plural forms).

Not all IE languages have articles, i.e. Hindi, Russian, Latin. Simplifying thing, one may say that English is a curious mixture (or bastard :-) of French and Anglo-Saxon, both of which has articles. It shed a lot of its grammatical rules over the centuries (e.g. noun declension, verb endings) but still carry vestiges, like the appendix, which is what confuses other IE speakers. These errors, tend to be the opposite of the Mandarin case, i.e. the over-regularization of the usage. My wife, who is near-native in French, does this frequently in her English usage.

This brings to mind a slightly different topic: The prediction of gender for (genderless) words adopted from English, i.e. if you are German and see the word iPad for the first time, which gender do you use? This study (http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.132...) tackled this problem for Scandinavian languages and found that it is quite difficult, they get ~70 accuracy.

Re:Bilingualism makes the mind sharper (and helps forestall ... by kiiski on Tuesday May 31, 2011 @03:24PM (#2604038)
Many of the people I studied with had problems with "the" (I still use it wrong sometimes), so it probably depends on your native language (mine is Finnish).
Re:Bilingualism makes the mind sharper (and helps forestall ... by rmc on Wednesday June 01, 2011 @12:11PM (#2607918)
children learn to pronounce the th sound quite late. And this is generally a give-away for of non-native speakers

The working class accent for where I'm from (Dublin, Ireland), prounounces "th" as "d", so "the" can be said "de".

A german friend advised his mother (who's is an english teacher (in germany)) to teach her students this, since it's easier for germans to pronounce!