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Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by phs318u on Thursday February 04, 2021 @11:57PM (#26033295)
We're straying way off-topic here but I'd suggest that things are pretty terrible for significant numbers of people. As evidence (I'm not US-ian), I present this article [0], which actually tries to make the point that living standards have never been better. In my view, he fails, specifically with the following statement in para 5, "There would surely be a revolution in America if 90% of our citizens have suffered income stagnation or worse". I'd suggest that recent events and the fact that many tens of millions of people supported (and still support) Donald Trump, are proof of a slow-motion revolution in progress - a kind of cold-civil-war.

So, maybe parent was being colourful with the "Walmart/meth" exaggeration, but in terms of "effective equivalence" I'd say they are close to the mark.

[0] https://www.marketwatch.com/story/americans-living-standards...

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by ryandrake on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:27AM (#26033419)
Yea it was a little exaggeration, but the trend is in the wrong direction. If things don't change, we're going to have no middle class in 20-30 years and probably full-on Elysium in 50-70 years.
Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jonfw on Friday February 05, 2021 @09:51AM (#26036865)
Too focused on relative income distribution, not enough on standards of living.

Americans live in bigger houses with fewer people living in them, they own smart phones, cars, huge TVs, appliances, HVAC, video games, plenty of clothes. They get their goods delivered straight to their door, they have their food grown and prepared for them. This is an accurate description of lower class Americans.

While income inequality is real and worsening, I'm still not seeing evidence that this leads to bad outcomes.

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jtxxwl2 on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:35AM (#26037424)
So, lots of bread and circuses. Are they healthy? Are their grandchildren and great-grandchildren going to inherit a civilization that they would want to be born in to?
Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jonfw on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:42AM (#26037501)
If a dog is fat it's somebody else's fault, if a person is fat it's their fault.

> Are their grandchildren and great-grandchildren going to inherit a civilization that they would want to be born in to?

How should I know how people's unborn children feel about a society which doesn't exist yet?

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jtxxwl2 on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:52AM (#26037607)
>If a dog is fat it's somebody else's fault, if a person is fat it's their fault.

I don't really care whom you blame, I care about the results. Our society could do much more to stop people from being fat and unhealthy, yet 70% of the country is overweight, and more people have chronic health problems than don't.

>How should I know how people's unborn children feel about a society which doesn't exist yet?

I'm not asking how the unborn children feel, I'm asking whether the existing people would want to be born into the civilization which they expect that their grandchildren and great-grandchildren will inherit.

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jonfw on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:14AM (#26037876)
> don't really care whom you blame, I care about the results. Our society could do much more to stop people from being fat and unhealthy, yet 70% of the country is overweight, and more people have chronic health problems than don't.

Unless you want members of society to walk around smacking soda and fried potato products out of people's hands, I'm not sure that I agree.

If we want to pool our resources as a people to solve problems for others, let's start with water scarcity, unstable/oppressive governments, and renewable energy. Please don't sign me up for forcing people onto weight watchers plans.

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jtxxwl2 on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:29AM (#26038028)
How about locking the soda and sugary snacks away with the cigarettes, instead of having them in your face (and your children's faces) in the checkout aisle? How about putting warning labels on them like cigarette cartons instead of cartoon pictures designed to get the attention of children?

How about devoting multiple hours of every school day in high school to getting students into great shape, so they don't start off their adult lives overweight?

There are many, many things we could easily do, but the people who run our civilization do not want them to be done. Those same people are the ones that are gaining more and more power over the people, by the way, as a consequence of the concentration of wealth.

What water scarcity problem is currently causing problems for 70% of the country?

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jonfw on Friday February 05, 2021 @11:56AM (#26038397)
The root of the problem is a lack of self control, and putting things in scarier packaging will not solve that problem. It's sort of like distributing tissues as a solution to the COVID pandemic, it's just addressing a symptom.

Why would we restrict our charity to this country? Let's solve real problems, which mostly exist in other countries. Unrestricted access to soda and Twinkies is not a real problem.

In addition, prohibition does not work. It doesn't work with alcohol, it doesn't work with drugs, it doesn't work with gambling, and it won't work with cake.

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by jtxxwl2 on Friday February 05, 2021 @12:14PM (#26038594)
>The root of the problem is a lack of self control

So make it easier for people to control their own behavior, if you want to make a dent in the problem. Teach them how to be in good shape by actually making them do it as adolescents. Teenagers are already required to participate in gym class. Why don't we change gym class so that it actually does something for them?

>and putting things in scarier packaging will not solve that problem.

Do you think that the labeling on a package is irrelevant? Then why do companies spend so much money designing it? Why are they all bright flashy colors, rather than black, white, and grey?

>Why would we restrict our charity to this country?

Because this is where we live, and where our families live, and the quality of their lives is most dependent on what happens to the people here.

>Let's solve real problems, which mostly exist in other countries. Unrestricted access to soda and Twinkies is not a real problem.

70% of the country being overweight is a real problem.

>In addition, prohibition does not work.

I said nothing about prohibition. Having to ask the cashier to go get you your case of Pepsi is not the same as banning the sale of Pepsi.

Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by refurb on Friday February 05, 2021 @04:18AM (#26034501)
So you don’t live in the US and only get your information from the media (who don’t sell clicks by saying everything is fine) but you’re willing to make bold statements about how we’re on the edge of a civil war?
Re:Apollo 14 50th anniversary images find Alan Shepard's bal... by mattmanser on Friday February 05, 2021 @10:15AM (#26037179)
Its often much easier looking in to see the problems than looking out. I would say that's also the impression I get too watching/reading your fox/CNN/CNBC channels.

Here in the UK we're suffering from the same malady and what brought this into focus for me was Brexit + the Grenfell fire.

Suddenly I saw people like those from my poor home town on TV (at one point it had the 3rd highest unemployment in the UK). And I hadn't seen anyone like that on TV for years. People with few opportunities, people ALL the UK media had been ignoring because they're not university educated and they say uncomfortable things.

When Jon Snow, a well know TV journalist over here, spoke about his experience meeting the Grenfell survivors and the accusations he had to face that they'd tried to talk to the press and been ignored, it really brought it into focus:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/aug/23/jon-snow-grenf...