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Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by arcticbull on Thursday February 04, 2021 @04:33PM (#26030059)
Indeed, I think the challenge is around committing to a 50 year study that they won't cancel later in a discretionary way.

> Conversely, I think the hard part about implementing UBI is that it would be incredibly hard to roll back once people become accustomed to it

So we are left with something people like and don't want to give up, and that's bad because... :)

Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by bumby on Thursday February 04, 2021 @05:05PM (#26030330)
>So we are left with something people like and don't want to give up, and that's bad because... :)

Sorry, I should have taken the time to elaborate.

There’s certainly a conceivable scenario when the situation is either unsustainable or not providing a net benefit.

For the first case, consider a petrostate whose population is heavily subsidized by its oil sales. If oil price drops, whether by lack of demand or over supply, they may not have the funds to continue these benefits without debt, regardless if the populace “likes” them.

In the second scenario, it’s possible that it creates unintended consequences (like spikes in drug use, drop in life expectancy, reduced productivity) that become a larger social ill than what it was trying to prevent. Despite society being worse off, it becomes hard to scale it back because of the psychological endowment effect.

I’m not saying its likely, just as a counter point that just because people like a benefit it means it should continue. I think it’s important to do a “pre-mortem“ on these kinds of policies to make sure we have the guardrails in place before implementing them.

Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by malandrew on Thursday February 04, 2021 @10:22PM (#26032702)
> So we are left with something people like and don't want to give up, and that's bad because... :)

... other people are burdened with providing it against their will.

A Southern plantation owner in the pre Civil War southeast US had something they liked and didn't want to give up and it was most certainly very very bad.

Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by arcticbull on Friday February 05, 2021 @03:32AM (#26034260)
UBI is universal, everyone gets it. I’d wager if you asked slaves if they were enjoying it they’d say no. One of the many problems is they weren’t being asked.
Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by bumby on Tuesday February 09, 2021 @12:57PM (#26080532)
I think the counterpoint is that, while everybody receives the same amount, people contribute differing levels so the net benefit is very different for individuals.

I think this is an affront to some people's ideas of fairness even though it aligns with progressive tax schemes.