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Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by Retric on Thursday February 04, 2021 @12:52PM (#26027868)
Having worked at a large management consulting company, the harm isn’t direct but it’s still there. These companies have incredible leverage, but it’s from credentials not competence. Economic harm isn’t as obvious as say water pollution, but diffuse harm is still harm.

Anyway, the average company does all the stuff you don’t really think about like making pots, windows, staplers, hearing aids etc. It’s the extreme outliers that people talk about not the dozen small factories making decorative concrete flagstones, etc.

Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by samstave on Thursday February 04, 2021 @01:44PM (#26028440)
EXACTLY

Look at it in tech: Some FB engineers are INCREDIBLY smart and good - but the, as you say, "diffuse harm" they do is still *harm*

FFS when I was at Lockheed and we got audited for SOX the execs were stealing stocks from the newer employees and giving those stocks to the execs

and the auditors, I think it was PWC, gave use a green passing grade and employees got fucked.

Some of the execs went on to Solyndra and we all know about how they stole 700 million from the USG...

(look at the SEC claims for Solyndra, where weeks before shutting their employees out without notice, they were giving out huge bonuses to execs and certain employees - e.g. they gave a $40,000 bonus to the IT manager that locked out all the accounts of employees)

Source: That IT guy worked for me at lockheed, the IT CIO was my boss at Lockheed - and I know their level of corruption....

Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by beckman466 on Thursday February 04, 2021 @02:58PM (#26029121)
> Source: That IT guy worked for me at lockheed, the IT CIO was my boss at Lockheed - and I know their level of corruption....

Jesus. Hackernews is one hell of a website

Re:McKinsey to pay $573M to settle claims over opioid crisis... by abduhl on Thursday February 04, 2021 @01:19PM (#26028181)
I'm not arguing that the harm isn't there. I'm arguing that the harm they cause is second order and smaller.

And just as a small rebuttal: the small companies are usually owned by larger companies. So while they may not be "the company" people think of, they're still part of "that company." The connection is certainly just as direct as a McKinsey-client connection.