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Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by pmontra on Thursday February 04, 2021 @03:22AM (#26023691)
If I send you a paper mail, you keep it and your descendants could read it in 2121. Of course you own it and they will own it.

If I send you an email, same thing, if it survives for such a long time. Does Google/any ISP also own it?

If I send you a SMS, same thing, I bet it won't survive. Does the phone company also own it?

If I write you on a social network, do you and I own the message or does the social network own it? There are ToS that we might not have read.

Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by CaptainZapp on Thursday February 04, 2021 @03:43AM (#26023795)
> Of course you own it and they will own it.

While the receiver of a letter on paper certainly owns the letter she doesn't own its contents. The copyright of the letter remains with the author.

So you can frame the letter and hang it on your wall you violate the authors copyright if you publish it without authorization.

Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday February 04, 2021 @05:00AM (#26024142)
No idea why this is being downvoted, because it's correct. You can't publish letters without permission. This has been tested in court many times.

What you can do is sell the physical object. That belongs to you.

You can also burn it or destroy it - which is an interesting edge case.

This really comes down to different kinds of ownership. The whole point of copyright is that creative/cultural/intellectual property rights are a thing, analogous to tangible property but with a different set of legal and commercial rights and obligations.

Electronic media depend on context. ISP and telcos are usually considered common carriers so they don't own the copyright of emails or SMSs.

Social media networks either claim all copyright in full (bad news for you...) or have a specific license clause in the T&Cs which gives them reproduction rights.

Sometimes these are for specific limited purposes, and sometimes they're a blanket sign-away of all exploitation rights. (Bad news for you again.)

Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by lotsofpulp on Thursday February 04, 2021 @07:07AM (#26024662)
Am I correct in assuming that uploading it online for others to see or displaying it for personal non commercial use would be covered under the Fair Use Doctrine?

Also, how does it work if a whistleblower gives a journalist letters that they received from someone else? Is the journalist not allowed to publish them in an article?

Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by dfxm12 on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:29AM (#26025124)
If a case comes up in the whistleblower situation, the journalist will claim fair use as a defense. It will be up to the court to decide if it is a legitimate defense. It likely will be.
Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by taneq on Thursday February 04, 2021 @08:30AM (#26025135)
True if you do it within the copyright period, however I'd imagine that (barring further Disney shenanigans) by 2121 the author's copyright would have expired and it would be in the public domain.
Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by esrauch on Thursday February 04, 2021 @09:12AM (#26025427)
Current copyright extends to 70 years after death of the author, so the letter written today will still be copyrighted in 2121 if the author is alive for 30 more years from now.
Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by taneq on Thursday February 04, 2021 @09:46AM (#26025710)
Good point, but does anyone under 50 still write paper letters? :P
Re:Parler CEO says he was fired by board by johnisgood on Thursday February 04, 2021 @03:22AM (#26023699)
You cannot "unsend" a letter, an SMS, or an e-mail. You can delete messages "for everyone" in many instant messaging apps, and you can do that on Discord, too. The thing here is that they did not do what I could have done were I able to access my account. Perhaps it is covered in their ToS or Privacy Policy.

To the down-voter: could you please elaborate with what you got the problem so we could potentially discuss it?